[quote=Maticks;578851]Kerio seems expensive for personal use and not really fro small business dont you think?

I got the personal domains after my run in with the whole WILD IT debacle and was sick of changing email address every time i changed service provider or they went broke.

Im not sure what to do?

Cheers, motef

i have 6 businesses running off mine without any issues but they are friends of mine.
i've had one report its better then the gmail system they were on with their domain.
three others say that the activesync system is more responsive for them then exchange.
the other two love webmail and just use that which looks exactly like outlook web access only it runs in any browser.
Never really had a complaint and i do nightly backups to another network folder a process which is built into the application.
The mail server is mostly aimed at business users not residential as it has global address books and public folders.

For personal its MobileMe or Yahoo Mail you cant go past the cost factor.

Wondering if this is something Apple are considering adding to MobileMe. If you login to me.com and go to Account page there's a Personal Domain tab. Mention of MobileMe hosting your domain for one-click Publishing from iWeb '08, but surely if they're hosting your domain it would also include email. It goes on to say "To use MobileMe with your personal Domain"... interesting... can't find anything on the support site to confirm.

[quote=chrome;578769]It already does push mail and uses SyncML for contacts and calendar.

Hey Maticks,

Super write up and Dugg by me! Well done..

I do have a question that you and most of the Mactalkers will probably be able to answer. I was using PC with a hosted exchange service (4smartphones.net) which worked a treat with Outlook and my CRAP iMate JasJam.

I am now all Mac and am currently using an iMac with mail.app (Gmail IMAP setup), a MacBook using GMail web app and a first gen iPhone (Gmail IMAP setup). It is all working pretty well (set to check mail every 15 mins) however I would love to go to push email, contacts and calendar.

My problem is I have a domain email address (i.e cammo@cammo.com) and HAVE to have that reflected in my emails. Therefore MobileMe is not an option.

I do have Office for Mac and thought that Entourage could be a good option? I was a pretty handy with Outlook before moving to the light (Mac) and therefore I thought that Entourage on my iMac combined with an exchange setup in iPhone 2.0 would work pretty sweetly.

These are my questions, if you don't mind helping out a bit.

1. I understand from your review that I would have to use Entourage's own contacts and calendar in order to push them to the server and my iPhone. Is there any major downside to using Entourage's contacts and calendar compared with address book.app and ical.app?

2. Do you know if Entourage's contacts and calendar sync perfectly with iPhone's contacts and calendar? All fields maintained correctly?

3. And my last, and probably most important question. I used to have every email I receive forwarded to Gmail but of course using an exchange push setup Gmail wasn't able to show the sent messages I sent using Outlook. I was wondering if a way of accomplishing this was to have a server side rule that also sent a copy of every email I sent via a Gmail SMTP server. I am on the road quite a lot and using my MacBook but would probably prefer to stick to Gmail's web interface and therefore would need to have a copy of all sent emails with Gmail. This would also be handy for archive searching.

I hope I haven't bored you too much, and hope you understand my thoughts!

Cheers,

Cammo

Hi cammo,

1. I understand from your review that I would have to use Entourage's own contacts and calendar in order to push them to the server and my iPhone. Is there any major downside to using Entourage's contacts and calendar compared with address book.app and ical.app?

Nope if you set your preferences in entourage to the following in the screenshot it all just works you can edit the Addressbook.app data, Entourage 2008 Contacts or the Iphone contacts and they all just sync up with each other.
The only issue is when your running an Exchange Server your bridge between your Phone/Exchange Server is Entourage so your Addressbook.app data wont sync till you open Entourage.
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2. Do you know if Entourage's contacts and calendar sync perfectly with iPhone's contacts and calendar? All fields maintained correctly?

Yep it all works except in a contact if you list a number as Assistant it wont show up the Home and Work tabs setting the numbers as home or work is ok. Mobile on Home or Work will simply show up as a mobile number.


3. And my last, and probably most important question. I used to have every email I receive forwarded to Gmail but of course using an exchange push setup Gmail wasn't able to show the sent messages I sent using Outlook. I was wondering if a way of accomplishing this was to have a server side rule that also sent a copy of every email I sent via a Gmail SMTP server. I am on the road quite a lot and using my MacBook but would probably prefer to stick to Gmail's web interface and therefore would need to have a copy of all sent emails with Gmail. This would also be handy for archive searching.

You can build a rule within Exchange 2007 for outbound messages and say match all and send a copy to your gmail address i havent personally tested it but i'd say it would work.
Since filters that you apply in webmail on the server take place on all server actions i assume that outbound actions would work fine.

Ahhh, great news on the first two!

Ok, but I just realised, (how dumb of me) that if I set a rule to also send a copy via smtp.gmail.com just so it can appear in my gmail sent items then everyone will get my messages twice!

Anyone got an idea of how I can create a rule to send a message using an exchange server and ALSO have the message reflected in Gmail's Sent items without physically sending two emails to my recipient (and possibly without including any large attachments in the gmail copy)?

Thanks again Maticks for your help so far!

your best bet it to bcc each message to your gmail address, in entourage that would be easy to setup you could even do it in the rules with the client all messages sent also copy this address in.
If you do it on the exchange server it should send a copy to your gmail account but im not 100% sure if that would actually work.
your best bet would be to sync the mail in your sent items folder with your sent items folder in gmail through a third party app.
you can bcc yourself in the mail settings on an iphone but keeping all that up to date the best way would to be a third party app for sure.

Thanks for those hints, will proceed with caution, this could just work!

I haven't heard a bad thing about how Kerio actually performs. The comments I made in an earlier post were more directed towards their licensing. For example when I bought Webstar in around 2000 it cost around $600 retail and I got it in a migration from the first release of OS X Server (it stunk) for around $350. From 2000 to now I only ever had to pay around $200 once for an upgrade. This let me have 1000 email accounts or 10's of 1000's more all for that low price.

Kerio costs say $499 for 10 accounts + $5000 for each additional 250 accounts. That works out at say $20,499 for a 1,010 accounts. Yes subscriptions make it cheaper in the long run but even still $6000 a year for a 1000 account set-up is too much for me.

Thats why even though I've moved my webservers to Apache on 10.4 & 10.5 Server I'm still running my old Webstar mailserver at the moment. I may be forced to end up moving to OS X Servers mail eventually but for now I'm just going to test other solutions. I've actually joined TechNet to look at Exchange 2007 (though knowing the cost I can't see me actually going down that path either) and will be looking at setting up some testservers using Linux based Open Source solutions as well.

That said if Kerios pricing wouldn't blow your IT budget it probably is a great solution.

Another con. against Yahoo Mail is the lack of IMAP on the desktop.

If your going over the 250 user mark your best of getting a reseller license you will get it a bit cheaper something im currently looking at the biggest issue of all with running Exchange is its hunger for memory, in addition more layout costs for backing up your store.
Restoration times also require active directory to be rebuild before the restore also you need to factor in that Exchange 2007 only runs on x64 OS and hardware.
On a brighter note small business server 2008 just came out so that might be cost effective but you still end up having to buy CAL licenses.

Zimbra which recently started supporting iphone push is also another option though i've never used it Decryption has i believe.

I have been investigating the Kerio mail server option, but looks like right now there is a big limitation.

The emails sent to the iPhone will only be in "plain text" as stated on their website

So looks like the full deal will come eventually but not right now.....

MobileMe does support personal domains, also you mention that the iPhone support for exchange is flawless? It doesn't sync Notes and To-Do.

Does Yahoo! push e-mail work for Oz accounts? I presume it does, but have been hoping for confirmation.