Hey I respect that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and silverdreamer has certainly let us know his.
We have a long history of disagreeing over this issue, and we so far have played pretty nice.

I'm just asking for a contribution in his posts greater than "Telstra's better... the end."
That's not really the debate, I think we all recognise the Telstra network is stronger!

- Allegedly (if you beleive a guy on MacRumors) Steve Jobs has said 2% of iPhones are displaying problems
- Apple has admitted that 2.0.2 was release to "improve 3G communication."

Why are some people still having difficulty in considering (<-- that's all I can ask!) that there MIGHT be an issue with the iPhone itself?

yes i expect this will be fixed in a software update.

i think most of the issues people are seeing are a result of poor software, not the hardware, and not the carriers.

hopefully apple will be speedy with a fix!

On 3 I nearly always have 5 bars....occasionally drops to 3 except at work where no one has reception regardless of network

I think that there isn't an issue with what people think, it's just some of us, have been using Apple products (not just iPhones) for many years, and we know that things get fixed.

So stay around, enjoy the Apple ride...

i don't see how long that we have been using apple products is really relevant to this discussion.

but if it helps ive been using apple products since '86 (ish), and bought my first apple in '98. i've owned 5 apple computers, and 5-6 different ipods.

it's the first time that i have had any really significant issue with an apple product.

i appreciate that apple is known for fixing their products, and looking after their consumers.

but again, the length of time ive owned apple products, or apple's track record in looking after their consumers is not really relevant in a discussion regarding IF there is a reception problem, and what this reception problem might be (hardware/software/carriers/no problem.)

apple themselves could put this speculation to rest if they were to make a statement either way, but being long time apple users we know it's not their style. this leaves us to discuss the issues, with no real idea of what's really going on, hence the 30 pages or so of speculation.

I must concurr. I've been on this forum for a while and have been using apples for a bit (this is being typed on my MBP bought in Jan). I am a new Apple evangelist

However this Iphone is very very disappointing. The device is fantastic. It just doesn't really work at all well as a phone. I don't know what to do, and I can't see apple recalling all the existing iphones for a fix so I'm pretty sure we're stuck with them.

It's a rotten Apple.

is that what it's called? For someone that is an Apple user, and the post that followed, all I have read, is negativity and bagging of the product and company. They do say a bad apple rots the bunch, but the analogy the oily wheel sqeaks the most, gets it for me.

I personally think, as many on here also do, that the iPhone is a fucking awesome product. If you don't like it, give it the fuck back, and go use some inferior product, as there is no other product that does all the same features, good luck!

you are really taking your defence of Apple to the next level. good on you for being passionate!

normally i would be on your side of the disagreement, and defending apple with you... but not this time.

you seem to think that any criticism that i have posted of the iphone/apple is unreasonable, and that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion as much as i am to mine.

as far as being a bad apple, or a squeaky wheel, i'll make no apologies for questioning the iphone's performance.

i'm just one person, on an internet forum, asking questions of a product which i don't believe is working to it's full potential (again - i hope it's just flakey 3g software, but maybe we shouldn't have to be apples beta testers? but that's a topic for an entirely different discussion.)

i havn't done anything wrong here. and honestly think you are taking your defence of apple and the iphone a little too far. no need to get childish and pissy about it. try and keep it civil please.

it's just A THREAD ON A FORUM, if you disagree, sure let us know, but if it's upsetting you this much -
- unsubscribe, or
- don't click on this thread anymore?

Come on guys - let the baby have his bottle, there's plenty of hard-drive space left on the server.

Keep on the topic of iPhone 3G reception issues and less on the "wahh, why is he whinging, I hate whingers on the Internet!"

some good news...
Iphone 3G antenna test - Teknik & trender - Göteborgs-Posten

the iphone hardware is fine according to sweedish (? - i think) research, which will be a huge relief for apple, and people who currently own iphones!

looks like the poor driver/bad software theory is again the most likely culprit for anyone experiencing issues.

that, or as some people would believe, there was never any problem, and we were all just making it up...

Good news indeed. Lets hope a software update is all that's needed.
Should sort out the 2G to 3G switching issue at the same time too hopefully.

Makes you wonder if Apple properly tested the software/drivers before releasing the iPhone. Looking at this test I'd say not.

Time will tell.

Wired.com's iPhone 3G Survey Reveals Network Weaknesses | Gadget Lab from Wired.com
Australia has slowest 3G speeds in the world! Interesting....

what's even more astonishing about that is that Telstra is the equal 3rd fastest in the world.
(edit - to clarify im not astonished at telstra being so fast, just that one carrier can be equal third in the world, yet our average speed, due to our other carriers, is LAST!)

"Meanwhile. results from individual carriers showed that European T-Mobile had the fastest speeds at 1,822 Kbps, followed by Canada (both Rogers and Fido) at 1,330 Kbps. U.S. AT&T customers found themselves in 3rd place, tied with Telstra, Telia and Softbank at an average speed of 990 Kbps." <-- iPhone 3G Study Shows Regional Differences in Speed - Mac Forums

Australia's terrible result due to optus/voda/other carriers completely dropping the ball!

lol...i was going to add this: Wired's Survey Result

I also am surprised at at that average, stands to reason the Optus and Vodaphone networks would drag the average down, but I did not think it would drop to that level.