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26-06-2008, 07:39 AM
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I agree with Gruber's argument that this is stupid:
#2 No Adobe Flash support
No Flash means that the mobile browsing experience isn't complete and the only reason Apple is doing it is to spite Adobe.
Who else has a complete mobile browsing experience? Now, how many of those 0 people have Flash integrated into their mobile browsing experience?
Backing up decryption's argument, in which way will having flash on the iPhone improve customer experience? It sounds like a feature people add just to have one more feature than someone else. I call for SproutCore.
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I just noticed another while I typed this on my iPod Touch... No scrolling in text fields!
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To scroll in text fields, you use two finger scrolling like on a Mac notebook. So one finger swipes move you around the page, two finger scrolling will scroll the imaginary scrollbars.
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26-06-2008, 07:40 AM
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Its easy to criticize something when your ammo is every other product in the industry, i wonder what his comparison would have looked like if he had compared the iphone to just one phone at a time? i am sure it would have been a more even battle.
Thanks decryption for evening the playing field.
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26-06-2008, 07:54 AM
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Great article decryption. I browse on my Mac and PC with Flash turned off on and sure don't miss it on the iPhone. I agree that it's a feature not having Flash!
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26-06-2008, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ZacG
I agree with Gruber's argument that this is stupid:
#2 No Adobe Flash support
No Flash means that the mobile browsing experience isn't complete and the only reason Apple is doing it is to spite Adobe.
Who else has a complete mobile browsing experience? Now, how many of those 0 people have Flash integrated into their mobile browsing experience?
Backing up decryption's argument, in which way will having flash on the iPhone improve customer experience? It sounds like a feature people add just to have one more feature than someone else. I call for SproutCore.
To scroll in text fields, you use two finger scrolling like on a Mac notebook. So one finger swipes move you around the page, two finger scrolling will scroll the imaginary scrollbars.
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The other thing about the Flash on mobile phones is after a year it is outdated, and almost impossible to update if the firmware on the device has been superseded, ie nokia N80 Had flash, but now has nothing. At least with the iphone you are guaranteed a far longer product life/support in comparison to other smart phones, which tend to become unusable after three years.
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26-06-2008, 07:58 AM
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Good work Anthony.
Flash support is one that gets to me.
As a web developer I tend to use Flash a bit because sometimes it makes things easier.
I understand you saying it's not great for navigation purposes and I agree.
But for example, if I have an icon I want in 10 different colours....I can use the one .swf file and just pass in the colour. Basic example but you get what I mean...
IMO Flash is great and needs to be on the iPhone!!!
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26-06-2008, 08:04 AM
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I have to agree with some and disagree with others.
I agree MMS is stupid, never used it, never owned a phone that's fully capable of it, I've always just received an SMS pointing me to a website to collect the MMS.
Flash, well, while I believe it's inherently evil, I think they should probably look at implementing it on the iPhone, one of my banks actually use flash for security when logging in. Also doesn't the Foxtel guide use flash (I think).
It would be great also if the Foxtel guide could be put on the iPhone so that you could remote record on the fly, but I'm sure it will eventually.
I've tried surfing the internet on a Nokia 6320, N80, SEk700, all suck, all take forever, all render the pages in different hard to see ways.
Can't wait for the iPhone, finally a phone worthy of my undivided attention.
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26-06-2008, 08:11 AM
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Entertaining read, but a few too many "that sucks anyway" answers. Sorry man, but I'm sure I'm not the only person in Australia who uses MMS, and would like flash support and a better camera (my old phone that got lost had a brilliant camera). Anyway, point is I think there are legitimate areas for improvement in his list, but hey - that's what the next model is for.
I just noticed another while I typed this on my iPod Touch... No scrolling in text fields!
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This is the thing that will keep the iPhone away from a lot of business users though, just having a camera.
If they could have a "business" model too without the camera it'd make sense.
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26-06-2008, 08:19 AM
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Rebuttal or not, this APC list seems a lot like this one here which originated in Forbes..
The seven biggest iPhone disappointments | NEWS.com.au
Who was first?
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26-06-2008, 08:21 AM
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I hope the iPhone V2 will bluetooth to my Pioneer AVICHD3-BT in my car, otherwise I can't see the value in buying it - crosses fingers.....
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26-06-2008, 08:22 AM
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I think Forbes was before APC, but Haters© tend to copy each other.
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26-06-2008, 08:25 AM
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That zorb on ItWire did one too, I think. He's virtually copied this one word for word.
I suppose people in the "know" would have already worked out these shortcomings. General Joe Scmoe's though, wouldn't have thought about it.
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26-06-2008, 08:33 AM
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Alternatively, ditch that car and use public transport, walk, or ride a bike. Cars are evil.
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Nope. City planners who bowed to pressure from car and oil companies are evil. My city blows for public transport.
Anyhow, Warne does have a point on video. Apple pissed 99% off Mac users here when they modified iMovie to be pretty much a conduit for You Tube. Why didn't they follow that up on the iPhone? It is not as if iMovie has been modified back, so Apple must still think "its a good idea".
Comparing iPod battery life to the iPhone is about as fair as Warne comparing every other phone on the market to the iPhone. The iPod plays music and videos. That's it. The OS is stripped even further than the iPhones, plus it doesn't have hardware power suckers such as bluetooth, wifi (except Touch), accelerometer, a big screen, and a cellular radio. Bit of a reach there
Still on the battery issue, aesthetics are an issue. It seems that having a removable cover is ugly. Yet this is acceptable:
(And the HTC is a polished turd? At least DLO could have designed something that doesn't look like a sheep dag)
One last thing - the addition of third party apps. We have seen what happens on the Mac one someone designs an excellent third party app, only to have Apple release their "own design" with the next OS release. Why doesn't Apple just include those missing apps from the get-go?
Your ten woes make more sense than Warne's, as I think he padded out his list to make up ten 
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26-06-2008, 08:39 AM
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#3 Scrolling long pages in Mobile Safari
I like my 100 posts per page view in forums. I like to view forums on my iPhone. I read the page and have already read the first 70-odd posts, I want to scroll to the bottom of the page. Flick, flick, flick, flick - my finger is getting sore - flick, flick. They did great for getting back up to the top of a page by tapping the top of the screen, but what about getting to the bottom? I don't know how to fix it, but then again I'm not a UI expert, someone at Apple is. Fix it!
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I didn't know you could touch at the top of the screen and have it auto scroll to the top. Handy.
Basically the article in APC is from the opinion of a very reluctant Apple user. And, for that matter, your article is from the opinion of a user who is reluctant to use anything else.
But the 'it can't do that one little feature' really isn't a good enough argument in my opinion. After using mine for about four months I'm still in awe and not left wanting. I don't give a shit if it can't copy and paste or sync notes et cetera. Fact is that it does so much more than any other phone I've ever had and does what old phones did, better. Sure 3G would be nice but the only time I really want to use the internet when I'm out and about is when I'm out of 3G range anyway.
All I can say is bring on 2.0 and AppStore.
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26-06-2008, 08:41 AM
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The whole battery thing is a non issue IMO!
In a modern society we are never that far from a source of power that it should be an issue.
I have a cable at work for both my SE mobile and my iPod, so I know I can always get a charge at work or at home. Besides I have never, since my Nokia 2110, had a problem battery that has had charge retention isues
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26-06-2008, 08:48 AM
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when you first linked to this article on twitter i commented on it.. a day later my comment still isnt there, so for the record all i said was :
Mobile Me and exchange support are two different things. You don't need mobile me for exchange to work. But beyond that, textbook linkbaiting sir, i hope you're getting a cut of the ads on this page.
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