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19-05-2008, 09:06 AM
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Location: Melbourne
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NAS, RAID or External Drive - which one do I really need?
OK, so my current external hard drive has died  (LaCie 500GB mini) and while I'm working on getting the data recovered, the other issue I'm faced with is - what replacement storage solution do I use now?
I've done some research on the 3 options: NAS, RAID and External drive but am at the point of too much information, or not enough deep information or understanding of the pros and cons of these 3 options.
I would prefer an out-of-the-box solution as I'm not able to get parts and build anything.
Needs:
Home network solution, so don't think I need a corporate-grade, gold-plated solution, but being reliable is important
Uses:
Need to back up data from G4 iMac (ethernet connection to router) and MacBookPro (wireless G to router)
400GB of current data to be stored, but currently doing a lot of digital and video editing so will need lots of space - looking at a 1TB solution.
Do I look at a single BIG storage option - and put all my eggs in the one basket again, or do I look at several smaller storage options, where losing one drive does not reduce me to zero again?
What suggestions would you make for me?
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19-05-2008, 10:09 AM
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Howdy,
OK First up, have a read of these to understand RAID a little better
epowermac Knowledge Base System :: Understanding RAID
epowermac Knowledge Base System :: Which RAID System Do I Need?
Go for something that has RAID 1. (Which mirrors your data on 2 drives) 1 drive fails, you still have an exact copy on the other drive.
We sell a lot of the MacPower Taurus RAID's. They come in 2 versions.
1) A NAS (Network) drive with RAID 0 or 1. This would plug directly into your router.
a 1TB version is $499 (So in RAID 1 that would be 500GB of useable storage)
2) A FW800/USB2 Version to hang off your iMac G4. 1TB version $485 .(RAID 1 that would be 500GB of useable storage)
If you wanted 1.0TB of storage, in a RAID 1 configuration, you will need to get a 2TB version.
Working with large audio and video files having it plugged directly into the iMac is a better option. If you are OK with USB2, then option 1 above would give you the flexibility to move it from your iMac onto the network, at a later date, if required.
Hope this helps.
Robert
epowermac.com.au Online Store - Australia - Express Powermac Solutions
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19-05-2008, 10:41 AM
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Dead Bull gives you mince
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Location: Melbourne
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We were investigating it for work, and this seems to be the best home raid type config that allows for network setup:
2-Bay Network Storage Enclosure - DNS-323 by D-Link
It retails for about $250 excluding drives. It takes 3.5 SATA's which are hot swappable.
Plugs into a network so it can be added to your router. Transfer rates are quicker than the Western Digital Mybook options. You can pick them up on Ebay for about $800 with 2TB (1TB RAID) installed.
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19-05-2008, 10:46 AM
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Location: Brisbane
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I've been considering a Drobo for some time...
Perhaps this is something you'd be interested in.. and they're now available in Australia, although for a decent price... perhaps PriceUSA would be helpful...
(also plays nicely with Airport and Airport Expresses)...
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19-05-2008, 11:37 AM
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i would suggest using unRaid from Lime Technology, LLC. The license costs about $120aud, and its a linux distro using basically raid4. you can build it on an old PC, and use various size disks (1 x 500gb, 1 x 20gb, 1 x 60gb, etc.) to create a volume. the nice thing about it is that you can add/remove disks from volumes also, unlike other raid systems. i use it at home and it works well, building myself up another system now to get a bit more storage.
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19-05-2008, 03:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasta
I've been considering a Drobo for some time...
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Ohhh, pretty!
OK, that went to the top of the list based on looks alone.
Now for the serious stuff...
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19-05-2008, 03:46 PM
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Location: Brisbane
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Quote:
Originally Posted by epowermac
Go for something that has RAID 1. (Which mirrors your data on 2 drives) 1 drive fails, you still have an exact copy on the other drive.
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Or better - X RAID
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X-RAID is an Infrant patented RAID technology that simplifies and automates the RAID management process. X-RAID utilizes a one-volume technology with built-in volume expansion support, either by adding more disks or by replacing existing disk with larger capacity disks. For instance, you can start out with one disk, and add up to 3 more disks when you need more capacity or when you can afford them. Volume management is automatic. Add a 2nd disk, it becomes a mirror to the first, providing protection from a disk failure; add a 3rd, the capacity doubles; add a 4th, and your capacity triples – the expansion occurring while maintaining redundancy.
X-RAID also provides further expansion capability. At a future point in time, each disk can be replaced one by one, have it finish rebuilding, and after the last disk is replaced, your volume automatically expands utilizing the new capacity. This future-proof technology allows you to continuously expand as higher-capacity disks become available.
Performance-wise, X-RAID is optimized for larger sequential access request pattern, such as video streaming and editing. Performance over RAID 5 in large data transfer can be as much as 15-20% better.
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I have Infrant NV+ and it is great
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19-05-2008, 04:08 PM
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Location: Melbourne
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angsty
Ohhh, pretty!
OK, that went to the top of the list based on looks alone.
Now for the serious stuff...
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OK, so it drops a few places when the "serious stuff" questions are asked...
*mumbles* still looks pretty though....
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19-05-2008, 04:27 PM
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Clinically Insane
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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Drobo are very good.
There's a very very simplified article here on what different things essentially mean to the average person, minus the jargon, and another article here that breaks External Drives into their basic categories, once again, for any lay person to understand.
What one essentially needs to ask is: Do I want / need something which is "on" 24/7, or do I just want to back up every so often ?
cheers,
cw
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19-05-2008, 11:00 PM
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Clinically Insane
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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Two possibilities spring to mind.
1. The Taurus LAN.
2 Bay Storage / Network Attached Storage (10/100/1000) / USB Back up).
A basic and solid work-horse.
Specs:
- Chipset: Storlink SL3516
- RAID Level: RAID 0 (Striping), RAID 1 (Mirroring)
- Drive Interface: 2 x 3.5" SATA I / SATA II (2x1TB)
- Host Interface: LAN: 10/100/1000Mbps and USB 2.0
- Case Material: Aluminum
- Windows Requirements: Windows 98/SE/ME/XP/2000/Vista
- Mac OS Requirements: Mac OS 9.1 or higher / Mac OS 10.0 and higher.
2. The Synology Disk Station DS207+.
High-speed 2 Bay SATA NAS Server with Advanced Data Protection.
Something a little more advanced...
Specs:
Hardware:
- CPU Clock Rate: 266 MHz
- RAM Size: 64MB
- Internal HDD: 3.5” SATA II x 2
- External HDD Interface: USB 2.0 port x3
- LAN: Gigabit x1
- Fan: x1 (60mmX60mm)
- Power Recovery
- Max Capacity (Internal HDD): 2 TB
- Max Supported IP Camera: 2
- Operating Temperature: 10 to 35°C
- Storage Temperature: -10 to 70°C
- Relative Humidity: 5% to 95% RH
Certification: FCC Class B, CE Class B, BSMI Class B, VCCI Class B
Networking Protocols: CIFS, AFP, FTP
File Sharing:
- Max User Accounts: 128
- Max Groups: 64
- Max Shared Folder: 100
- Max Concurrent Connections: 32
UPnP Multimedia Service Support:
- Sony PS3, Microsoft Xbox360 (See All Supported DMA)
- Audio Format: AAC, M4A, MP3, Ogg Vorbis, WAV, WMA, WMA VBR, WMA PRO, WMA Lossless
- Video Format: ASF, AVI, DAT, DivX, MP4, MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4, VOB, WMV, XviD
- Image Format: BMP, JPG (jpe, jpeg), GIF, ICO, PNG, PSD, TIF (tiff), UFO
- Playlist Format: WPL, M3U
iTunes Server Support:
- Audio Format: MP3, M4A, M4P
- Playlist Format: M3U, WPL
Audio Station Support:
- Audio Format: AAC, M4A, MP3, Ogg Vorbis, WMA, WMA VBR
- Playlist Format: M3U, WPL
- Internet Radio: SHOUTcast, Radioio
Photo Station 3 Support:
- Video Format: ASF, AVI, MPEG1, MPEG4, WMV, XviD, DivX, DAT(2), MP4(2), MPEG2(2), RM(2), RMVB(2), VOB(2)
- Image Format: BMP, JPG (jpe, jpeg), GIF
Management:
- AJAX-based Management UI
- Download Station Bandwidth control
- Download Station Port Range Setup
- Editable HTTP Error Page
- Email Alert Message
- Email Notification for New User
- External HDD Hibernation (USB)
- Scheduled Power Off
- Firmware Upgrade
- FTP passive port range
- Hide-able Shared Folder
- Internal HDD Hibernation
- Movable Shared Folder
- Port range for BitTorrent
- Removable Default Shared Folder
- System Temperature
- Ez-Internet
- PPPoE
- UPS Management (Over USB 2.0)
- User Quota
- Web-based Download Station
RAID Management:
- Volume Type: Basic, RAID 0, RAID 1
- Upgrade from Basic to RAID 1
- Expand RAID 1 with Larger Hard Drives
- Volume Auto-rebuild after abnormal power failure
Backup Solutions:
- Network Backup
- Local Backup
- Desktop Backup (using Synology Data Replicator 3)
- USB Copy
Supported Clients: Windows 2000 onward / Mac OS X 10.3 onward
Printer Support:
- Max Printers: 1 (on Mac -PostScript USB printers only)
- Supported Protocols: LPR, CIFS, AppleTalk
Cheers Angsty,
CW
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20-06-2008, 09:26 AM
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Hi ClockWork,
I've been looking into gigabit RAID NAS devices for my work from home design studio. I am accumulating images at a huge rate for one particular client but I don't want to go to a full stand alone server at this stage - physically they will be too large and heat output is a concern.
Originally I was looking at the Lacie 301236A 4TB unit, but having done some digging it sounds like they may not be the best proposition in the long term.
I've been doing some reading on the Synology DS207+ units.
Given that the maximum raided capacity is going to be 1TB with these (RAID 1 on 2TB), what sort of drives would you recommend? Ideally I am looking for something which will double as a mass storage AND a reliable backup for the next 3 or so years.
Are they difficult for someone not up to speed with building up drive devices? The last time I was pulling things apart and swapping drives was about 10 years ago.
Thanks in advance!
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20-06-2008, 09:35 AM
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Clinically Insane
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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Things have advanced to new levels of simplicity.
If you know how to plug an Ethernet cable into a Modem Router, you're already half way there.
Putting things simply - Synology only makes NAS. They don't design external units with FireWire or eSATA. Just NAS.
cw
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20-06-2008, 09:50 AM
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MacManMike - I just finished installing my Disk Station 207+ based on discussions and advice from Clockwork and have been very happy with the ease of use of this device.
It is easy to set up and even a non-networking person like me got it up and running within the hour. All the configuration options are manged via the system software and I even managed to work out how to change it from RAID 0 to RAID 1 -
Chugging along nicely so far (5 days - LOL!) Will consider turning on Websharing and hosting my website from this box this week-end.
Ang
PS - my LaCie 500GB drive DIED 2 months after warranty expired, so my personal (soured) experience with LaCie products is: DON'T GET IT!! *grumbles* dropping it off to data recovery service this afternoon... *grumble* $$$$$$ *grumble* 
Last edited by Angsty; 20-06-2008 at 09:50 AM.
Reason: typoe in name
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20-06-2008, 09:59 AM
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Location: Melbourne
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angsty
PS - my LaCie 500GB drive DIED 2 months after warranty expired, so my personal (soured) experience with LaCie products is: DON'T GET IT!! *grumbles* dropping it off to data recovery service this afternoon... *grumble* $$$$$$ *grumble* 
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Same thing happened to me the other week. 1tb Lacie NAS drive died on me, now I have to fork out $2,000 to get the data back due to hardware fault.
I might look into a few of the options mentioned above so this doesn't happen again.
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20-06-2008, 10:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ClockWork
Things have advanced to new levels of simplicity.
If you know how to plug an Ethernet cable into a Modem Router, you're already half way there.
Putting things simply - Synology only makes NAS. They don't design external units with FireWire or eSATA. Just NAS.
cw
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That much I can manage...
So are you recommending the CS407e over the DS207+?
Given that both units are enclosures only, can you recommend any HDs in particular?
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