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Old 05-05-2007, 11:52 AM
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Wireless on dial-up?

I've been trying to work out how to get broadband out here in the semi-bush 40k from Perth.
My local MP assures me I can do this and get the govt. rebate.
But every ISP I contact either doesn't return the call or just says "no".
So I'm still stuck on a reasonably good dial-up.
As I have 3 Macs working together, (a) is there any way I can get online wirelessly and (b) is there any point or advantage to this?
Because of the odd stuff I do, I have one machine (old iMac) that is OS 9 only, one machine that runs OS X with OS 9 (Classic) -- PB -- and one which is OS X only (MB). [See signature.]
Apologies in advance for the long post, but I'm going to paste the following advice I received -- though it requires a Windoze box which I don't want to touch with a 10ft sterilised barge pole if possible.
Any advice would be great.


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Wireless Dial-up!!!! There is a way!
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There is a way!!!! BUT!!! It will involve a Windows XP Machine....

Here is what you need:

1. An old unused Windows XP computer
2. Working Dial-Up Modem
3. NIC "Network Interface Controller"
4. Wireless Router!!!! Yes Wireless!!!

So what you need to do is first do a fresh install of Windows XP. It is always best to start fresh when you are using windows. Thanks Bill!! Moving on you need to get your machine running on your Dial-up connection as you normally would... Now once you have a fully established your connection, you need to go into your "My Network Places" and locate your Dial-up ISP. Make sure you RIGHT CLICK on this icon and click on the Sharing Tab. You should see something that says Share this internet connection with other computers on your network. Also known as ICS. Alright we are almost done!! Now here comes the hard part!! If you have had a hard time getting up to this point you might want to stop. We are going to change the IP address on your Windows Machine, this is somewhat involved but it can be done. So I need you to go into the Network Connections and RIGHT CLICK on the "Local Area Connection" and choose Properties. You should see 3 tabs.... make sure the General Tab is selected. Inside this window you should see another window that display settings such as... "File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks" and "Client for Microsoft Networks".. I need you to go all the way down and select the "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) and select Properties. Once you have done this you will see a check in the box " Obtain an IP address automatically" this box need to be changed to " Use the following IP address"... Please fill in the IP address with 192.168.0.5 and the Subnet ask to 255.255.255.0 ...... You might need to restart. You have just completed the first 85% of this setup... Now go out and buy a wireless router.. If it is a D-Link it should have the IP address already of 192.168.0.1 and if you get a Netgeat or Linksys it will be set at 192.168.1.1 ... If you get a Netgear or a Linksys you need to change the IP address before you change the Windows XP computer IP address!!! Doing this step in the wrong order will result in IP address conflict. Okay so lets set up this router and get online... You need to log into your router. The instructions for this step are located in your Router Manual... Make sure you READ the manual before trying this step. You need to find the MANUAL setup for your router. Once you have logged into your router you can setup your wireless name and what not. Now you are into your router, you need to find the DHCP setting and turn off DHCP.... Once DHCP is turned off you need to change the IP address to 192.168.0.254 ... Once you change the IP address you need to restart the router. When you restart the router set-up your computer in the steps I have provided above. Once both the devices have been set up turn them both off. And plug the network cable into the NIC card in the back of the Windows XP machine and the the 1 port in the router. Turn both machines back on and connect to the internet and BAM your Mac can go on Dial-up internet in Canada and on wireless. Also for fun make sure to download VNC viewer! You can control your PC over the wireless network!! I hope you all enjoy this info!! Also as proof this works I have this @ my house and I have 2 Macs and 3 PC's running off this connection.
Now for the response "Why not just get high speed"? The answer to that is I am unable to get that service were I live.
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Old 05-05-2007, 11:59 AM
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Sounds a bit much, but you'd have a few choices... here is an example of how I would do it for my systems and have done so recently.

I have a mac mini with airport card, and an apple usb modem. The system runs OSX 10.4, so I dialup with the usb modem, and then setup internet sharing, so that machines talking to this mac mini via wireless to the airport card or ethernet (via it plugged into a switch) use the mac mini as the default gateway, thus meaning all means use it to talk to the internet via either medium (wireless or ethernet).
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Just buy an older Airport Extreme... I have one here and I actually used it for wireless dial up for a few months (before I had ADSL here). Worked perfectly, all Apple solution.

I'll sell you mine if you like.

Very easy to set up and nothing needs to be "on". It worked brilliantly. I wasn't really using the phone line for a phone line and was able to stay online for 300+ hours most of the time (so very low call costs and "always on" internet). It'll also let you have a printer shared from the base station.

PM me for more details or if you'd like the Airport extreme base station (it's in perfect condition).

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Purana,
This is useful info in general, but I don't quite understand the step-by-step procedures I need.
Anyone have advice on this?


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Old 05-05-2007, 12:20 PM
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Just buy an older Airport Extreme... I have one here and I actually used it for wireless dial up for a few months (before I had ADSL here). Worked perfectly, all Apple solution.

I'll sell you mine if you like.

Very easy to set up and nothing needs to be "on". It worked brilliantly. I wasn't really using the phone line for a phone line and was able to stay online for 300+ hours most of the time (so very low call costs and "always on" internet). It'll also let you have a printer shared from the base station.

PM me for more details or if you'd like the Airport extreme base station (it's in perfect condition).

Also works with the older snow Airport base stations.
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Old 05-05-2007, 12:46 PM
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Tried Bordernet for satellite broadband? As I understand it the subsidies have changed recently and ISPs are waiting on the final details of the new subsidies before they start taking applications. Wait a couple of weeks and see what happens.
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Old 05-05-2007, 01:05 PM
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Suryo,
OK I've given that a go.
Let's see what happens.
My suspicion is: zip.


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Also works with the older snow Airport base stations.
Are you talking about the white UFO ones? Because that the one I'm talking about
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Old 05-05-2007, 02:12 PM
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Hey mct.. how's it going?

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Purana,
This is useful info in general, but I don't quite understand the step-by-step procedures I need.
Anyone have advice on this?
For Dialup :

Internet sharing is really simple on Mac -Literally just a matter of plugging it in and turning on a system preference. You mentioned you use 3 macs, but didn't mention if they were all networked yet.

If they are, you're 90% of the way there. Just go into System Prefs on the machine with the modem, go into the Sharing tab, and set it to 'share my internet connection from Dial-up Modem' to computers using Built-in Ethernet". That's essentially it; the mac with the modem should act as a DHCP server and gateway and all the other macs should be able to use DHCP to get a network address automatically and join the network, even the OS9 mac.
You can even do the same thing using Airport instead of built-in ethernet, with similar result - This is what Purana is doing. Although I would say if you're going to do that, an airport base station would be preferable.

The other way is to use marc's airport extreme base station to do the dialing up and also share it to multiple machines. If one or more of your macs don't have Airport, you can always wire them via ethernet.

A tip for using ethernet : You can use a 5 or 8 port 'switch' as a splitter to plug multiple macs into a device with only one ethernet port, like an airport extreme. They're cheap, $40 will get you an 8 port switch with it's own power supply.
This also circumvents the problems we talked about before with crossover and straight-through ethernet cables. With a switch, you only ever need to use straight-through cables, which are more common - at least in my house. For example, my set-up is like this :

Phone line ------ [central filter/ splitter]-------[ADSL modem/router]-----[8-port ethernet switch]

From the 8-port switch, I have the following connected
  • Main PC
  • HP bubblejet connected via USB, and shared over the network
  • Sister's PC
  • web and file server PC
  • xbox with xbmc, which plays videos from the main PC
  • lexmark e120n laser printer
  • wireless access point
  • ibook connected via Airport
  • my emac with it's music library, connected to my stereo component gear, which I will network soon.

Forget about the XP machine business. The airport extreme base station will do exactly that.

For Broadband :

If you do manage to get ADSL out there, then you'll probably be provided with an ethernet modem router device. Plug this into the aforementioned ethernet switch, and all your macs are then able to work off the one device. This is how it is usually done.

If your machines aren't wired together with ethernet, then you can plug the modem/router into the airport extreme and share it over Airport.

The advantage to networking all the machines is that you can use things like afp to share files between them, or .mac to sync them all. You can play movies on one computer that are stored on another computer's hard drive, for example. And of course any machine can have concurrent internet access (though you will find with dialup, it becomes disproportionately slower with 3 machines).

I think you should tell us exactly what the situation is with each mac; like whether they have Airport on them, and if they do, how far apart physically they are, or which ones, if any, are connected via ethernet. Then we can tell you exactly what you need. There is a device for every conceivable scenario.. it's easier to work backwards from the what you have already.

- Jeremy

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Are you talking about the white UFO ones? Because that the one I'm talking about
I'm talking about the non-extreme white UFO one before the extreme white UFO one came out.
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I'm talking about the non-extreme white UFO one before the extreme white UFO one came out.
Ah! I wasn't sure if there was a model after the grey UFOs or not. Cheers
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Old 06-05-2007, 11:55 AM
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PM'd marc on this and it looks like we have a solution.
Jeremy's advice is good and should be bottled for posterity.
This .pdf is also pretty good for anyone in the same (sad?) situation:
<http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/AirPort_Extreme_Base_Station_Setup_Guide_v4.2.pdf>

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Old 06-05-2007, 12:18 PM
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The Bordernet solution looked good until I read this:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...fm/394677.html
What I suspect is that anyone outside a major city is completely stuffed.
And even then the connection speed is crap.
Let's get a bunch of people together and demand more!

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