[NORMANDY]

I have been blogging about this for 6 months, but here are some video summaries of why its days are over or should be! Long live HTML 5.

YouTube - iPad? ... iRant

or listen at the 44:44 minute mark.. and hear comments I made....... http://www.digitalproductionbuzz.com...z_10_01_28.mp3

[Phunky]

Just a hypothetical question, if Apple did in fact support Flash, would your attitude towards Flash and HTML5 be altered? If not, then would your view of Apple be altered (for their choice of supporting rather than rejecting Flash)?

[rodeodee]

Flash doesn't need to die, it needs active refinement by Adobe. There was a time it was lean and fast. I remember old Future Splash animations running pretty easily on old slow hardware. Sadly Adobe got lazy and diversified (how many products do they do now - 50?). Macromedia was better at the management of this stuff.

There is much Flash content on the web, not all of it is bad. To lock out Flash is to lock out a very popular file format for the web. Adobe needs a player that is light weight and can gracefully handle flash on the iphone/ipad platform. Video perhaps should not be a part of that perhaps.....

[cosmichobo]

All I know is that Flash gives me the s*&ts... so I say yes, kill it slowly and watch it disappear.

[ruegen]

Jilion - SublimeVideo

One thing you will notice the video linked above also stays cached (at least I think it does) allowing you to replay the video again even after closing the page with no need to download the video in full again.

[marc]

Originally Posted by ruegen

Jilion - SublimeVideo

+1

Problem solved.

[half goon half god]

This just popped up in the RSS feeds:

Pure CSS3 AT-AT Walker by: Anthony Calzadilla

Who needs flash when CSS3 and WebKit browsers can do the animating? It's all explained here: Pure CSS3 Animated AT-AT Walker from Star Wars

[gareth]

Originally Posted by ruegen

Jilion - SublimeVideo

One thing you will notice the video linked above also stays cached (at least I think it does) allowing you to replay the video again even after closing the page with no need to download the video in full again.

damn that runs smooth

[NORMANDY]

Originally Posted by Phunky

Just a hypothetical question, if Apple did in fact support Flash, would your attitude towards Flash and HTML5 be altered? If not, then would your view of Apple be altered (for their choice of supporting rather than rejecting Flash)?

No I have been opposed to flash way before Apple denounced it, we in the video trade have been wanting its end for a long time... for all the reasons in the podcast (if you listened to it!?)

[NORMANDY]

Originally Posted by ruegen

Jilion - SublimeVideo

One thing you will notice the video linked above also stays cached (at least I think it does) allowing you to replay the video again even after closing the page with no need to download the video in full again.

wow my browser didnt chug or crash running a video amazing!

[BiRDBRAiN]

I do visual stuff in web sites professionally.

And I am doing it more with Javascript and CSS3 these days. It is actually incredible how far some of these more open standards have come.

Personally I think anything that requires super expensive software to produce basic functionality (AKA Flash) and relies on a single company to develop it, should die just for those reasons.

On that note, I think the iPhone, iPad development is an exception because it is a crap-tonne cheaper to start developing for these than it is to do Flash development professionally.

[cosmichobo]

Even when cached, the above video was useless on my eMac playing in Safari.

[ruegen]

Originally Posted by cosmichobo

Even when cached, the above video was useless on my eMac playing in Safari.

it would be difficult for your eMac to play that particular video regardless if it was displayed encased in flash or not (G4 chip). Flash would probably make it even harder to view with the identical video format.

[~Coxy]

Originally Posted by half goon half god

This just popped up in the RSS feeds:

Pure CSS3 AT-AT Walker by: Anthony Calzadilla

Who needs flash when CSS3 and WebKit browsers can do the animating? It's all explained here: Pure CSS3 Animated AT-AT Walker from Star Wars

Because WebKit browsers only make up a tiny proportion of the market?

It is good that people don't have to use Flash if they don't want to. However, every tech demo I've seen runs horribly compared to the same thing done in Flash (on Windows.)

It would be nice if Flash was decent on Macs and Linux, and I think a lot less people would feel so strongly about it if it was. Web purists would still hate it, of course.

[Phunky]

Originally Posted by NORMANDY

No I have been opposed to flash way before Apple denounced it, we in the video trade have been wanting its end for a long time... for all the reasons in the podcast (if you listened to it!?)

Most people dont care about the battle between Flash and HTML5
Most people do care if there is a big white square on a webpage they are trying to visit
If its true that people are going to buy an an iPad for the folks, I dont think the folks are going to care that HTML5 is better, they will only be puzzled that they cant see the webpage and wonder what they are doing wrong

[ruegen]

Originally Posted by Phunky

Most people dont care about the battle between Flash and HTML5
Most people do care if there is a big white square on a webpage they are trying to visit
If its true that people are going to buy an an iPad for the folks, I dont think the folks are going to care that HTML5 is better, they will only be puzzled that they cant see the webpage and wonder what they are doing wrong

uhuh like when they load a page and a it crashes or slows their mac down all because of a plugin?

[mab]

Regarding video how much does a commercial h264 encoding license cost?

[marc]

Originally Posted by mab

Regarding video how much does a commercial h264 encoding license cost?

"MPEG LA announced today that its AVC Patent Portfolio License will continue not to charge royalties for Internet Video that is free to end users (known as Internet Broadcast AVC Video) during the next License term from January 1, 2011 to December 31, 2016."

MPEG LA - The Standard for Standards - Media

[dotnet]

Commercial use may start attracting royalties from 2011 on, though.

H.264 is quite a licensing mess and a "bag of hurt" in its own right. That doesn't seem to deter Apple, however…

Cheers
Steffen.

[~Coxy]

Course it doesn't deter Apple, they're a member of the trade organisation that makes money from licensing the patents.