[kyte]

I am not sure I even will bother JB my new phone, I was happy to do it with the original, because it was necessary if you wanted to actually use it in any meaningful way. The app store and increasing numbers of apps which will do almost anything you want is making a jailbreak almost redundant.

I DO want an unlock though. I don't see why when I have bought outright from Telstra at a full, unsubsidised price, I should have to pay $150 for the pleasure of being able to use the phone on whatever network I want. Right now, I am using T. But I want the option.

[eaglesteve2]

I see lots of benefits in jailbreaking

- Multitasking. Your third party application (navigation for example) will not get bump out when a telephone comes in. Is'nt this a good enough reason to have multitasking with backgrounder?
- SBsetting. To be able to efficiently turn on and off WIFI, 3G, terminates a program, hide/unhide an icon from springboard. Apple to display date and memory available on the task bar....You really don't want these?
- Safari Download Plugin. Without it, I cannot download to save a file from any website.
- iFile. Wihtout that, I can't rename navigate to see what files I have in my iPhone, copy, delete, rename or do anything with them.
- MxTube. Why keep relying on re-downloading to watch that nice video? Save it in your phone.
- Siphone. I just got this working. I can now make VOIP call anywhere in the world untime for mere 8 cents. I can do it not just over WIFI but also over 3G.

More to come, but these are what are working now with this jailbreak toos. I don't really use winterboard. So, so far not missing anything really important that I want from Cydia yet. The only thing that I really wanted but can't install using this jailbreaking tool is rotation inhibitor.... and also mobile installation patch (shh..... Sorry, it does'nt work on this jailbreaking tool)

[eaglesteve2]

Cydia on 3GS is so much faster than on 3G. It's a real wonder how the extra memory has helped.

[Linux_insidev2]

Originally Posted by mitty

The other thing that concerns me is this new way of restoring. At the beginning of the Restore Itunes communicates with Apple (obviously generating these "keys" that are required now). But we have no idea what else might be happening here. It's all conjecture and stupid conspiracy theories but for all I know Apple now knows I at least attempted a jailbreak and some Steve Swat team is heading for my address right now to smack my bott bott.

Well geohot found the key exchange by inspecting the traffic flow between apple and the phone, there's no way they can tell that your phone was jailbroken since people restore all the time for various different reasons.

there's a new Jailbreak version out now, Supports Windows Vista and Windows 7, 64 Bit and has the codesign patches in it meaning that we just have to wait for Saurik to release a new version of winterboard that is compatible with the 3GS

[bok]

Originally Posted by eaglesteve2

Wow, it would be silly IMO not to jailbreak.

Jailbreaking is a matter of opinion. Neither opinion is silly, some have a need for it some don't.

Originally Posted by eaglesteve2

- Multitasking. Your third party application (navigation for example) will not get bump out when a telephone comes in. Is'nt this a good enough reason to have multitasking with backgrounder?

If I'm on a phone call I'm not going to be looking at a navigation app. Regardless, there's nothing stopping you from multi-tasking when you're on the phone. Hit the home button and you can open any app you want. I tend to only use one application at a time regardless, so keeping other apps open in the background isn't something I want.

Originally Posted by eaglesteve2

- SBsetting. To be able to efficiently turn on and off WIFI, 3G, terminates a program, hide/unhide an icon from springboard. Apple to display date and memory available on the task bar....You really don't want these?

Being able to turn WIFI/3G on and off easily would be nice. You can force quit any program using the home button though. Unused Apple apps that I can't delete live on the 8th page of applications with the unused third party apps that I rarely use but don't want to delete.

I don't particularly care about the available memory in the status bar, if you don't run background apps you don't need to know it.

Originally Posted by eaglesteve2

- Safari Download Plugin. Without it, I cannot download to save a file from any website.
- iFile. Wihtout that, I can't rename navigate to see what files I have in my iPhone, copy, delete, rename or do anything with them.

It's not a computer, I don't have a need to download and do things with my phone, nor attempt to manage files on the system.

Originally Posted by eaglesteve2

- MxTube. Why keep relying on re-downloading to watch that nice video? Save it in your phone.

Any videos I want to carry around I sync via iTunes.

Originally Posted by eaglesteve2

- Siphone. I just got this working. I can now make VOIP call anywhere in the world untime for mere 8 cents. I can do it not just over WIFI but also over 3G.

This would be good, unless you're on Optus and can't rely on the data network anyway

So from your list I'd find one thing useful, which is not enough to
justification to jailbreak, and then have to delay updates and rejailbreak every time.

Now, all this goes to show is that I use my iPhone differently from you. Neither of us are silly, I think, so lets not we are.

Not for me, thanks!

[eaglesteve2]

Bok,

I respect your view on those issue.

Just like to clarify a few points though.

- When using a third party application, having incoming calls to kick the user out of an application, and forcing him to have to go back to the home screen and start over again is not an acceptable exepeirence. Imagine being kick out of the navigation program after a call. You need to start it again, answer that legal responsibility screen again, wait for the GPS signal to come back again... You could be way pass your exits already by them.
I remember using my Golf Score Card application. When the phone call came in, I basically lost the score up to that hole when I was kicked out of the program. After I installed Backgrounder, I did'nt have that problem anymore.

- It is not true that you can force close all program by hitting the home key. Your iPod application is an example. You can't use your home key to force close it like the way SBSetting could. Granted, with a lot more memory in 3GS this is not such an important thing to do, but it was important to track the available memory and kill of unwanted program in 3G, where the device tend to slow down when memory is low.

Sorry if I appear to impose my view on you. Not the intention. Edited my post to be more sensitive to other's view. Cheers.

[ozron]

OK so Winterboard is not currently compatible with the 3GS, and I understand Intelliscreen isn't either. Interested in trying out Lock Calendar which should be. Anything else which won't work with the 3GS so far?

Edit: OK was a piece of cake to JB. Worked on second attempt. Installed Lock Calendar which also installed Winterboard, and ended up in Safe mode repeatedly, so have uninstalled Lock Calendar and Winterboard. Bummer... Just have to wait on Saurik to update now.

[eaglesteve2]

Intelliscreen works perfectly. You might want yo try again.

[mitty]

Lock calender must have changed because it didnt used to need winterboard which is Annoying. I ran on my 3g just after 3.0 got jailbroken and it didn't need it then.

[CoreyE]

Originally Posted by mitty

"Going to sleep... partying this weekend... maybe monday for osx and win7".

Yea how dare he not live in front of a computer

[ozron]

Originally Posted by eaglesteve2

Intelliscreen works perfectly. You might want yo try again.

Haven't tried Intelliscreen. May try it out if it works then.

Tried Lock Calendar again. Didn't install Winterboard this time and installed and is running fine now. Doh!

[mitty]

Ozron... when you tried Lock Calendar, did it also install Mobile Substrate and preferences loader? Maybe for some reason it's installing Winterboard, but I don't think it needs it. Could you try again, and if winterboard installs, just un-install that and then see if lock calendar works?

I've msged the dev of Lock Calendar on modmyi.com and he says it shouldn't need winterboard at all, but he doesn't have a 3GS to test it on.

[ozron]

Originally Posted by mitty

Ozron... when you tried Lock Calendar, did it also install Mobile Substrate and preferences loader? Maybe for some reason it's installing Winterboard, but I don't think it needs it. Could you try again, and if winterboard installs, just un-install that and then see if lock calendar works?

I've msged the dev of Lock Calendar on modmyi.com and he says it shouldn't need winterboard at all, but he doesn't have a 3GS to test it on.

Yes Mobile Substrate and preferences loader was also loaded. See previous post though, all seems good now. Not sure what was going on last night.

[ozron]

Loving Status Notifiers btw...

[lazydesi]

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[mitty]

Awesome, gonna give it a try then. yay!

EDIT Okay, JB'ed. The actual JB process was very simple and much quicker than the dev team method. Had some minor problems because my office wifi is a tad dodgy, so ended up installing Cydia and Lock Calendar. After the install of Lock Calendar, the phone just locked up, so had to hard reset (hold down power and home button) but then it was fine and working.

Will install the rest of my apps at home tonight. Will probably do this all again when the dev team release their method, depending on how that goes.

[ozron]

Originally Posted by mitty

Awesome, gonna give it a try then. yay!

EDIT Okay, JB'ed. The actual JB process was very simple and much quicker than the dev team method. Had some minor problems because my office wifi is a tad dodgy, so ended up installing Cydia and Lock Calendar. After the install of Lock Calendar, the phone just locked up, so had to hard reset (hold down power and home button) but then it was fine and working.

Will install the rest of my apps at home tonight. Will probably do this all again when the dev team release their method, depending on how that goes.

Yay! Let me know what apps you install and whether they work OK. Many of the apps I want to try out require Winterboard, so keen to see what else I can run until that's updated.

[eaglesteve2]

mitty,

Glad that it works okay this time round.

I'm quite comfortable with this method of jailbreak. One of the reasons is on the development team's website, this method is actively being discussed, and referenced to by the development team itself. So, I see it as sort of being approved.

So far, I've no reason to worry about any disaster by using this method. Like you say, it is actually much simpler to install.

[mitty]

I've also installed Five Icon Dock and SBSettings since they are pithy little downloads. Both of them work fine.

Did Status Notifier work okay Ron? When doing a search in Cydia on "Notifier" there are two of them that come up, not sure which one is the right one.

I've had winterboard in the past on my 3G but I'm sure it was the cause of many crashes. Although themes etc would be nice they certainly aren't mandatory for me so I won't be bother this time round, it's simply the extra functionality that I want.

[Linux_insidev2]

Everyone should be aware, Winterboard is NOT compatible with the 3GS at the current time.