[mitty]

Originally Posted by MissionMan

Its not the first time that Telstra has invested in the wrong technology.

Anyone remember the Telecom Computerphone?

[Rant]

Originally Posted by chrism238

Hey, no-one previously even needed an iPhone at all - the human race made it this far without them. But fortunately you're now here to tell us what we do need. Thanks for just being here.

If all you want is a list of more stuff than anyone else, I've got a computer operating system with WAY more features than OS X, many more ways to do the simplest things...

maybe you'd like this too. Vista Test Drive - Try

It'll even run on your walled/reliable hardware!

[forno]

Originally Posted by chrism238

I'm not planning to jump to defend all of Phil's comments, after all he has a business to run and a responsibility to inflate his own products (just like Apple's HiFi was going to revolutionise how we listen to music), but I feel people, here, (dons asbestos suit) are choosing to selectively criticise only where it suits them.

• Could someone here please explain how I can get video calls on an iPhone?
• Could someone here please explain how I can view live TV on an iPhone?
• Could someone please ask the developers rejected by the AppStore if they feel Apple is a walled garden?

No one is being asked to bathe in Phil's shadow, but why do people selectively ignore the truths he does speak?

Apple never claimed it would do any of those things, and Apple runs the apps store and therefore they can pick and choose what gets in there, I am sure Telstra pick and choose what gets onto bigpond/nextg

[chrism238]

Originally Posted by forno

Apple never claimed it would do any of those things, and Apple runs the apps store and therefore they can pick and choose what gets in there, I am sure Telstra pick and choose what gets onto bigpond/nextg

Agreed; but it's not about what claims were made or not made. The fact that artificial limitations are imposed by Apple means that the device is not "all it could be". Some of the features that are feasible, but not supported, are the ones that some people have, many times, stated that they want. The discussion is not about what is the right or wrong business approach, but the disappointment at what is not available.

[chrism238]

Originally Posted by Rant

If all you want is a list of more stuff than anyone else, I've got a computer operating system with WAY more features than OS X, many more ways to do the simplest things...

maybe you'd like this too. Vista Test Drive - Try

It'll even run on your walled/reliable hardware!

Gee, thanks, but I've only used any form of Windows for a total of, maybe, 50 hours over my past 30 years of computer use, and only then when "forced" to at internet cafes and free terminals. Again, your assumptions about the features that I want are well off target.

Criticism of Apple's approach does not automatically imply any preference for their competitors.

[forno]

Originally Posted by chrism238

Agreed; but it's not about what claims were made or not made. The fact that artificial limitations are imposed by Apple means that the device is not "all it could be". Some of the features that are feasible, but not supported, are the ones that some people have, many times, stated that they want. The discussion is not about what is the right or wrong business approach, but the disappointment at what is not available.

Well Apple produce a product that they think will sell, and that they are happy to sell. The customers are there in the millions

As for what the disussion is about, well its easy for somebody to take a shot at something, as Mr Burgess has done, and the manner in which he has done it is available to anyone that wants to simply look for a cheap shot

[The Fluffy Duck]

The only thing sour is your expensive plans telstra not the device

[Tom125]

Originally Posted by forno

Well Apple produce a product that they think will sell, and that they are happy to sell. The customers are there in the millions

As for what the disussion is about, well its easy for somebody to take a shot at something, as Mr Burgess has done, and the manner in which he has done it is available to anyone that wants to simply look for a cheap shot

Totally agree. No it doesn't have video calling and those other things. I'm sure future iPhones will. Apple have concentrated on getting the features it does have right. Show me a phone that does video calling and I'll show you one with a crappy web browsing experience. Show me a phone that does television and I'll show you one with a contacts system that is a complete pain to synchronise.

[tcimac]

"By holding companies like Telstra back, Australia was stopping them from finding suitable partners to succeed in the global economy, "

What a crock !!!

What happened to the "Information Super Highway" that Bart Simpson promised us close to 20 years ago !!!! Remember those ads?! Telstra was building an Optical Fibre network that would service "98%" of Australians.. Christ, I live 40 klms from the Melbourne CBD and I can't even get ADSL2 !!!

If we are going to deregulate the phone industry the Govt should do it properly and pull the infrastructure back into public hands and sell it wholesale to everyone for the same amount and let the retailers battle for customers. Then we would see what would happen to Telstra !!!

[stevejay]

Actually, can you get 33 channels of live TV on an iPhone? Can you make video calls on it? Not bagging out the iPhone here, it's not that sort of product, but it's lack of these features probably HAS sold more of those other phones for Telstra.

The hype surrounding iPhone's launch would have left a lot of non-tech-savvy people disappointed with the reality and they could have been easily swayed to HTCs and LGs that do video calling or live TV.

Burgess IS a big pink knobend to make this sort of comment, but look at the publicity its generated for Telstra, iPhone (and the big T does sell 'em) and other manufacturers this stink bomb on leaving has generated. It's what Joh Bjelke Petersen used to call "feeding the chooks".

Give the media something outrageously controversial today and watch the headlines tomorrow. The best way to deal with this sort of stuff is to ignore it. You can't reason with the unreasonable, you have to pick your battles more carefully.

[mitty]

My Partner tried Foxtel on his Jasjam for a month. It's basically useless... you get part of a show, say like five minutes, then it switches to something else. It's basically useless the way they do it. It does work well but what's the point of watching like a fifth of an episode of something? And as for the olympics on the iphone... urgh. Who could be bothered? I can't stand them on the real TV so why would I actually want to PAY to have them on my phone? Sheesh. Velocodouche (to borrow a term).