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Old 16-03-2008, 09:16 AM
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Since when?

Someone should probably tell the Yakuza this...
If you leave your wallet on a seat in the park in Japan it will be there when you come back. (and it won't be empty either)
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Old 16-03-2008, 09:16 AM
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So how are they going to tell that somebody is illegally swapping files, without inspecting the contents of the data stream? Presumably Japan has some kind of privacy laws. Not to mention the technical cost involved.
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Old 16-03-2008, 09:34 AM
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An analogy for those having trouble realizing this.

A person robbing a bank is not doing the same thing as someone who's counterfeiting money.
Or, a person stealing a car is not doing the same thing as a person copying a car.
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Old 16-03-2008, 09:50 AM
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The sooner that the loose coalition of content publishers (movie studios, record companies, et al.) stop using the word stealing, the sooner they will get the general population on side. Most people instinctively know that stealing is when you deprive someone else of their property, and that copying is inherently not stealing. It follows then that much of their message (that illegal copying is wrong), is missed because of the language they use.
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Old 16-03-2008, 09:51 AM
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So how are they going to tell that somebody is illegally swapping files, without inspecting the contents of the data stream? Presumably Japan has some kind of privacy laws. Not to mention the technical cost involved.
id like to know the same thing, the old lady had a rant to me about this exact thing the otherday

could this be implemented in aus?
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id like to know the same thing, the old lady had a rant to me about this exact thing the otherday

could this be implemented in aus?
Deep packet inspection has been available in CISCO gear for a while and a lot of the ISP's would have it. But it can be circumvented by encryption.

I know of a few UNI's that use it in Australia.
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Old 16-03-2008, 10:42 AM
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stealing became acceptable when you steal something and the original guy still has it.

IP is airy fairy bullshit.

Get paid for it sure. Once. Not forever and from everyone.
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The Pirate’s Dilemma: To Compete or Not To Compete
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Get paid for it sure. Once. Not forever and from everyone.
Not once. Not forever. IP does lapse after a time interval (which varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction).
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Old 16-03-2008, 11:46 AM
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Not once. Not forever.
How do you propose to accomplish that?
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Old 16-03-2008, 11:48 AM
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Give us alternative options and maybe piracy will slow down.

Where my iTunes Music Store with every recorded song ever at my choice of quality, at a fair price?
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Old 16-03-2008, 12:01 PM
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Give us alternative options and maybe piracy will slow down.

Where my iTunes Music Store with every recorded song ever at my choice of quality, at a fair price?
... and without DRM.

And why can't I purchase TV shows at the same time they're released in the US?

I subscribe to eMusic. It means that I basically don't obtain that music through *cough* unofficial sources because it's cheap, simple, of a guaranteed quality and DRM-free. If industry wants to see how to stop piracy, they need look no further.
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A person robbing a bank is not doing the same thing as someone who's counterfeiting money.
I agree... but in many circumstances, it is a means to the same end.

So, that person didn't rob a bank... they counterfeited money and then went to a shop and used that counterfeited money to buy a $5000 TV... The retailer discovers the money is counterfeit after the fact and has to notify the police... therefore, they are short one TV and $5000.

Someone goes out and buys a DVD for $25, copies it and redistributes it on BitTorrent to 10,000 people. So now, the film distributor is short $250,000.

I'm sick of the excuse: "music/video should be cheaper, so I just download it free instead". Yeah, milk should be cheaper than it is too... but I don't go hide out at the farm and milk a couple of cows while no-one's looking. The cows can make more milk, why should the farmer care?
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I agree... but in many circumstances, it is a means to the same end.

So, that person didn't rob a bank... they counterfeited money and then went to a shop and used that counterfeited money to buy a $5000 TV... The retailer discovers the money is counterfeit after the fact and has to notify the police... therefore, they are short one TV and $5000.

Someone goes out and buys a DVD for $25, copies it and redistributes it on BitTorrent to 10,000 people. So now, the film distributor is short $250,000.

I'm sick of the excuse: "music/video should be cheaper, so I just download it free instead". Yeah, milk should be cheaper than it is too... but I don't go hide out at the farm and milk a couple of cows while no-one's looking. The cows can make more milk, why should the farmer care?
Excellently said, MREV08.

iTunes music store + buying DVDs is fine for me. Really, they're not that expensive.
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Old 16-03-2008, 12:29 PM
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Someone goes out and buys a DVD for $25, copies it and redistributes it on BitTorrent to 10,000 people. So now, the film distributor is short $250,000.
This analogy only works if you can prove all 10,000 people would have actually purchased the item and were willing to pay money for it in the first place.
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