[dotnet]

Originally Posted by wretched sinner

They don't test with every other drive out in the market. Because of this, they don't know if it will work or not, as it hasn't been tested.

That's why those interfaces are standardised. They should test against a reference design disk, just like disk manufactures should test against a reference design controller. Only then can they claim SATA compliance.

Now, it could be that the disks having problems are dodgy, or it could be that Apple neglected to test properly before releasing the updated EFI. Or it could be that neither do any meaningful testing and just build stuff off a specification paper and cross their fingers.

The blame goes depending on which is the case.

Cheers
Steffen.

[scruffie]

fujitsu 5400 rpm 500 gb hard drive is still working after the update

[mitty]

I just got my new 13" pro today. I'm planning on installing a bigger drive of some sort but don't want to install the update until a new one is released. Is there a way to stop delete the update from software update so I don't accidentally install it?

[Aladdin]

Software Update - select package - in the menu bar, there will be an option to ignore update (can't open software update at the moment coz there are no updates for me).

Also, don't let software update automatically install updates - de-select 'download important updates automatically' in the Software Update Preference Pane (in System Prefs).

[mitty]

^Thanks Aladdin. Something I found with my new macbook that even though i told it to not automatically download updates, it rudely connected and downloaded them all anyway, but then I could still select which ones I wanted to install. I have a feeling as soon as it gets a net connection it just goes for it the first time you boot up into OSX!

[FBTN]

I been always use Apple shipped Drive for many years on PowerMac, MacPro, MacBook Pro, why people always try to use different Drive and blame apple?

[decryption]

Originally Posted by FBTN

I been always use Apple shipped Drive for many years on PowerMac, MacPro, MacBook Pro, why people always try to use different Drive and blame apple?

You're kidding right?

SATA is a standard, how can you defend the fact that a SATA-certified drive can't work with a SATA-certified controller?

Take off the goddamn rabid-Apple-fanboy glasses for just a second - even me, grand poobah of Apple cock suckers even realises this is a Big Fuckup (TM)

[Geoff3DMN]

Originally Posted by decryption

<SNIP> even me, grand poobah of Apple cock suckers even realises this is a Big Fuckup (TM)

There have been reports that the exact model drive that Apple supply as their 500Gb option when bought as an aftermarket part doesn't work, and that the only difference is the BIOS version number, and further that the BIOS version number that Apple supply is not available from anyone except Apple.

That does suggest that the firmware upgrade checks the drive BIOS... the only question is what for?

Is it simply to check "Is this an Apple drive?" hrrmmm?

[FBTN]

Originally Posted by decryption

You're kidding right?

SATA is a standard, how can you defend the fact that a SATA-certified drive can't work with a SATA-certified controller?

Take off the goddamn rabid-Apple-fanboy glasses for just a second - even me, grand poobah of Apple cock suckers even realises this is a Big Fuckup (TM)

Because Apple just works, order HDD from Apple, or get Apple upgrade for you. It Just Works!!
OMG, Apple have rights to make their computer only works with their parts!

[mitty]

About to install a WD5000BEVT into my 13" MBP. Not updating to 1.7 though Wish me luck

[Byrd]

The thing is that Apple have done this sort of thing before;

- G4 firmware updates that only detected Apple-branded RAM
- SCSI hard disk formatting software that only formatted Apple-branded hard disks

I'm surprised that they'd do a similar thing now - sounds to me just like a huge stuff-up/bug on their part. In the days of Macs now using the same parts (more or less) as a bog-standard PC, I don't think they could be this nasty.

JB

[Phunky]

I just updated to 1.7 because I was having freezing problems with my G.Skill Falcon. The first boot took longer than usual but I am now up and running with 1.7. Hopefully this fixes my SBBOD (spinning beach balls of death)

[mitty]

My 500gb is running just fine though I haven't updated to 1.7. Apple have to come out with some fix eventually I guess.

[Phunky]

Here are my xbench results post 1.7

System Info
Xbench Version 1.3
System Version 10.5.7 (9J3050)
Physical RAM 4096 MB
Model MacBookPro5,3
Drive Type G.SKILL FALCON 128GB SSD

Disk Test 262.28
Sequential 212.07
Uncached Write 285.21 175.11 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 238.53 134.96 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 115.02 33.66 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 405.05 203.57 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 343.63
Uncached Write 129.16 13.67 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 443.55 142.00 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 1860.20 13.18 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 904.34 167.81 MB/sec [256K blocks]

[djrichim]

Are you saying it's all working fine for you so far Phunky? Did you do anything special - eg. reset pram/smc/run onyx (suggested on other forums) - or just update the firmware as normal

[Phunky]

All I did was follow the update instructions, then after it was complete I ran Onyx (repair permissions and system cleanup) and then restarted with a pram reset (2 dings)
I have not experienced a SBBOD since the update (Sunday afternoon to now), but if I do I will post in here

[sanjay]

Originally Posted by FBTN

Because Apple just works, order HDD from Apple, or get Apple upgrade for you. It Just Works!!
OMG, Apple have rights to make their computer only works with their parts!

you have got to be kidding me...you are trolling right? i hope so.

if apple wants you to only use their macbook pros with apple branded drives...why do they make the HDD a user-serviceable part, with manuals and guides on their own website detailling how to make an upgrade, with no such warning requiring people to buy ripoff-priced apple-branded hard disks?

and how do you expect a macbook pro owner to upgrade to an apple branded SSD? they are not particularly widely available in 2.5" guise, and their prices are absolutely laughable.

[mitty]

Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing any difficulties with EFI 1.7 and a 3rd party drive. I've been watching the thread on the apple forums, but not much seems to be happening, if Apple are going to provide some fix, they are taking their time.

I've upgraded to a Western Digital WD5000BEVT 500GB "Scorpio Blue". It's working beautifully with the previous version of EFI and I'm not going to upgrade until I can be sure I won't have problems, or until Apple come out with a fix.

[FBTN]

Originally Posted by sanjay

you have got to be kidding me...you are trolling right? i hope so.

if apple wants you to only use their macbook pros with apple branded drives...why do they make the HDD a user-serviceable part, with manuals and guides on their own website detailling how to make an upgrade, with no such warning requiring people to buy ripoff-priced apple-branded hard disks?

and how do you expect a macbook pro owner to upgrade to an apple branded SSD? they are not particularly widely available in 2.5" guise, and their prices are absolutely laughable.

Yo know what? Both mine and my little brother;s MacBook Pro get SSD upgraded at Doncaster store, 1.5 hour and everything just works! --- This is all I care. I am not waste my time on forum to asking people why my third-party SSD doesn't work/how to install it... etc. Get Apple do it for you, It just works!

[mitty]

Yes, and my Scorpio Drive cost me $136. Sadly, we aren't all made of money. But hey if you want to line Steve's pockets for no good reason, go right ahead

Not to mention, the Macbook Pro Manual actually tells you how to do it, and it tells you any SATA drive should work.