Page 1 of 2
 1  2  >
Reply
   
 Apple Bails on Back Hat Security Conference 
 
 
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 01:44 AM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Melbourne


Apple Bails on Back Hat Security Conference

What will be a first and no doubt tomorrow at work all the Windows Geeks will point fingers and say Apple have security issues.
I expect in the next week given the fact that most news companies take forever to report these things we'd see "Apple hides security holes" which is in fact untrue.

It appears that with Apple's Market Share growing to a breaking point, Hackers and Virus coders are starting to take interest in our OSX safe haven.
I believe this might be the cause of Apple pulling their show at this conference which is a shame because they stood for security and publicly said that.

Anyone know anything more about this ?
Maticks is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 01:58 AM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Brisbane


Maticks, do you have a link to any source for us?
__________________
nard
nard is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 02:00 AM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Melbourne


Black Hat Talk on Apple Encryption Flaw Pulled - Security Fix
Apple bails on Black Hat talk
Maticks is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 02:03 AM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Melbourne


I must say i was shocked that my Mac OSX Server was unpatched for the DNS exploit for almost a month.
Especially since i have over 40 domains hosted on it, Apple are usually quick to patch those types of things but that was a very long gap.
It was also a very well publicized security hole not to mention a major issue.
Maticks is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 08:22 AM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Melbourne


Apple are notoriously slow at patching security related issues.

I host a number of domains through an OS X server; however as i use the DNS servers of my ISP for resolution this particular security issue was of little concern to me.

Maybe apple are well aware that their installed base generally is not deployed in large environments where it's used as the primary requesting/caching NS? (just playing devil advocate here it's bloddy lazy of them not to include the updates to their standard version of BIND that's included in OS X) or maybe they figure that all the admins who use OS X for primary DNS were savy enough and had already upgraded BIND from source....
blakat is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 08:51 AM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Sydney


It also looks like the client side didn't get patched correctly also.

Although the client side is less vulnerable it can still have the DNS Cache Poisoned if it is being used.

Quote:
Storms wasn't sure what happened on Apple's end to produce the nonpatch patch, but he took a stab at the possibilities. "Is Apple modifying the BIND distributions from ISC, and somehow didn't realize this repercussion? Or is there some kind of configuration file that they forgot to change? It must be one of those two," he said.

Storms also said he rechecked nCircle's DNS servers running BIND, just to make sure that the patches he had deployed weeks ago really randomized the source ports. They did. "If you take the BIND distribution from ISC and patch your system on a Linux box, you're patched," he said. "I don't know what happened to Apple's."

Apple did not immediately respond to questions about the DSN patch.
__________________
Nick Named RatBag for a very good reason
rob05 is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 09:52 AM
Not so serious ;)

Group: Administrators
Location: Fukuoka, Japan (originally Canberra)
Blog Entries: 4


I think my IPS's DNS servers are still un-patched, so a month is hardly "long" for the patch, which came in Security Update 2008-005.
__________________
A bunch of stuff for sale here - PCI and graphics cards, mostly.
The question you're about to ask me or post in MacTalk Community is answered in the Forum Rules & FAQ.
As men, however, make little effort to exercise their intellect, or imagine that they possess knowledge before they really learn, the consequence is that they never begin to have knowledge..."
— Origen in De Principiis
Currawong is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 09:54 AM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Sydney


which didn't patch it correctly as mac os x still has the dns server port numbers running one after another and not radnomly like they should be for a proper fix.

This makes for interesting reading and we are still at risk albeit small for the client side.

Apple DNS Patch Fails To Randomize - Users Still At Risk (Sync)
__________________
Nick Named RatBag for a very good reason

Last edited by rob05; 04-08-2008 at 10:00 AM.
rob05 is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 10:37 AM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Melbourne


Yup - i agree with currawongs comments on apples time on this one (despite some of their other issues) the full nature of this attack wasn't to be disclosed for a month after the announcement; allowing compainies time to release patches. however the full details were leaked and the nature of the attack became better known.

Why apple didn't include the BIND update in the client tools who knows; maybe because it can't be turned on in the GUI....

This attack is predominantly aimed at ISP level infrastructure; in the case that your DNS host hasn't updated their servers to fix opendns.org has updated their servers and increased capacity to allow people to use their servers while local providers catch up.
blakat is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 10:53 AM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Brisbane


Apple DNS Patch Fails To Randomize - Users Still At Risk (Sync)

This comment below Andrew Storms' post may explain how this may not be as alarming as some think.

Even though OS X makes use of BIND it's DNS does not work the same way as most other *nixes.
__________________
nard
nard is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
mab
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 10:53 AM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Darwin


Quote:
Originally Posted by Currawong View Post
I think my IPS's DNS servers are still un-patched, so a month is hardly "long" for the patch, which came in Security Update 2008-005.
A month is an eternity when the exploit is in the wild
Thankfully most of our servers run Redhat which was patched the day after the DNS cache poisoning CERT advisory was released.
__________________
 C2D MBP 15.4" 2.53GHz
 iPhone 16GB
٩๏̯͡๏)۶ LINUX: Fedora 9
mab is online now
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 11:01 AM
Member

Group: Member
Location: Blue Mountains - Sydney


Ahh, viruses.

The worst part about people switching.
Supreme is online now
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 11:17 AM
Beware the Robot Mafia

Group: Administrators
Location: St. Albans, Melbourne
Blog Entries: 10


Quote:
Originally Posted by Supreme View Post
Ahh, viruses.

The worst part about people switching.
This has got nothing to do with switchers or viruses.
The issue lies with there being an exploit in a part of OS X that is open-source. That bug has been rectified in the open-source package. Apple are still yet to patch it over a month later. Poor form for Apple.
__________________
Support MacTalk by shopping the Apple Online store via this link!
HEY INTERNET! - My Internet scrapbook.
TechieTalk - My 2c on Australian Tech News.
DMG Control Mac Apps - One More Thing Hardware Reviews - Can Touch This iPhone Apps
decryption is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 01:41 PM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Melbourne


this DNS poisoning issue i actually had two isp who's DNS servers were infected by it.
In specific fake microsoft.com and bank site entry's were loaded into their DNS Servers.
It should have been resolved in the period of time that all linux distributed resolved it.
I've been running OSX Server for around 4 years i really hope a root exploit isnt dealt with this lack of caring.

I must say Apple's Choice to continue using cyrus with all the issues they have with it leads me to believe its not a business product its more like windows ME we're bored let do something business'ish.
Maticks is offline
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 04-08-2008, 01:55 PM
Regular

Group: Regulars
Location: Melbourne


I hate that argument: "apple is small and no one wants to wite viruss for a mac"

So how do you explain that the classic OS had somthing like 80 virusus and the user base has grown ten times since then. Why isnt there 800 virusus for osx instead of what we got, which is none?

No PC person can answer that for me, without admiting OSX is more secure than any windows os.
__________________
THE OFFICIAL GOD FAQ
Q: Does god exist?
A: No

iBook 14'' 1GB Ram, MBP(santa) 15" 4GB ram, iPod Nano(3G) 4gb, iPod shuffle 512mb, iPod Touch 8gb.
The Fluffy Duck is online now
Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
Reply With Quote
 
Page 1 of 2
 1  2  >
Reply

Thread Tools

 
Similar Threads
 
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Australian iPhone Release Info Given to Resellers by Apple Australia decryption Articles, How-to's and Reviews 439 26-05-2008 08:58 AM
When Are New Apple Products Released? OziMac Articles, How-to's and Reviews 25 20-02-2008 01:06 PM
Apple Security Update 2006-004 chrism238 Mac OS X & All Software 4 03-08-2006 09:44 PM
back in 1984 apple advertised the mac pixelperfect Apple General 11 02-07-2006 05:56 PM
Brand New 15" PowerBook: Being Returned To Apple luztra Notebooks 9 24-03-2005 11:59 PM