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Old 21-08-2008, 01:29 PM
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And this is what you get from a party that was so long in Opposition that it thought it knew best but knew nothing.

Like the National Broadband Network, the 5 point plan to reduce inflation (did anyone actually catch what those 5 points were), downward pressure on grocery and fuel prices - all these silly ideas that were all fluff and are doomed to failure.

Now I am not boosting the Liberals but I have to ask myself - with policies like this and the claim of a mandate to force things like this through Parliament I have to wonder - wasn't it better the devil you knew?
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Old 21-08-2008, 01:35 PM
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And this is what you get from a party that was so long in Opposition that it thought it knew best but knew nothing.

Like the National Broadband Network, the 5 point plan to reduce inflation (did anyone actually catch what those 5 points were), downward pressure on grocery and fuel prices - all these silly ideas that were all fluff and are doomed to failure.

Now I am not boosting the Liberals but I have to ask myself - with policies like this and the claim of a mandate to force things like this through Parliament I have to wonder - wasn't it better the devil you knew?
I can't disagree with you there. The ALP has its heart in mostly the right place - we will see some more subtle reforms in important areas - but in terms of the daily news, it's like Hollowmen come to life some weeks. I guess 12 years in the wilderness will do that to you. Mind you, the last year of Howard had some pretty egregious fiascos, too.
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Old 21-08-2008, 04:10 PM
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Just tonight my daughter asked me to help her find out when rowing was first contested at the Olympics. She said there was a "problem" with google at the school as it wasn't able to show any results. I asked her what she typed in. She tried "History Olympics". Near the top is the wikipedia entry.

Oh no! It talks about drugs in sport.....

So I did the project with her, printed off the relevant pages and she'll take them to school.

Her primary teacher said the internet "doesn't work properly" at school and you have to do "things like this" at home.

Pffffft!

I suggested I attach the pages as pdfs and email them to her school account so everyone could share our research. Then I thought: what a bloody stupid idea. Everyone knows the DET email system has never worked properly.
I'm still stuck with that awful system, it was ok when they used the old system it was bearable, now with the current system they use for filtering it's a plug every Feckin thing approach and it's doing more damage then benefit especially in high school - Tafe UNi applications.

I'm posting this in other forums (a link to this) and i'm even planning on doing a partition. if you want to join in then go for your life and contact me for a form.
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Old 21-08-2008, 08:22 PM
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All I want to know is where is the media ?
I sent a letter to Lateline about this ... nothing.
I sent a email to Get Up the group that is meant to fight for everything. No ties to any party.
Nothing, not even we will look into it.
I gave up really about 3 months ago, as it seems like no one cares if their liberty is taken away.
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Old 23-08-2008, 10:56 PM
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All I want to know is where is the media ?
I sent a letter to Lateline about this ... nothing.
I sent a email to Get Up the group that is meant to fight for everything. No ties to any party.
Nothing, not even we will look into it.
I gave up really about 3 months ago, as it seems like no one cares if their liberty is taken away.
I doubt the public at large really care too much to be honest, and so the media aren't likely to give it too much air time. I mean cutting speed off the internet is a geek issue and a geek issue alone (or at least that is the perception).

Here's how a debate would go in parliament:
"I oppose the nation-wide content filter" - opposition member
"So you are for exposing our children to the evils of the internet" - government minister
"Uhhhh..."

Unfortunately the marginal seats are in the suburbs where young families with young kid's are, and they are the people whose votes matter.
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Old 23-08-2008, 11:10 PM
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I doubt the public at large really care too much to be honest, and so the media aren't likely to give it too much air time. I mean cutting speed off the internet is a geek issue and a geek issue alone (or at least that is the perception).

Here's how a debate would go in parliament:
"I oppose the nation-wide content filter" - opposition member
"So you are for exposing our children to the evils of the internet" - government minister
"Uhhhh..."

Unfortunately the marginal seats are in the suburbs where young families with young kid's are, and they are the people whose votes matter.
Yup, you are unfortunately correct. The fact that being against this can be interpreted into "you hate children and working families" is what is preventing high level debate on the topic.
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Old 25-08-2008, 02:02 AM
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Unfortunately the marginal seats are in the suburbs where young families with young kid's are, and they are the people whose votes matter.
I bet you'll find that it is electorates with mostly old wealthy geezers and no children that are most keen on using "protecting the children" as a pretense for just about anything...

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The fact that being against this can be interpreted into "you hate children and working families" is what is preventing high level debate on the topic.
I never understood Labor's preoccupation with working families. Isn't it the dysfunctional families that need the most help?

Cheers
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Old 25-08-2008, 06:28 AM
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I never understood Labor's preoccupation with working families. Isn't it the dysfunctional families that need the most help?

Cheers
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Isn't EVERY family dysfunctional? Stupid term, that, classic blame labeling that can be used against any group by those with less than altruistic motives. Hmm, much like, "...but think of the children!" is.
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Old 25-08-2008, 07:31 AM
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Children can protect themselves if they are given the correct tools. Knowledge is a biggie.

Anyway you think Rudd is bad, have a look at Obama's new running mate. Check his history out.

Joe Biden's pro-RIAA, pro-FBI tech voting record | Politics and Law - CNET News
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Old 25-08-2008, 09:51 AM
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Nick Xenophon is probably going to be in favour of it - his opinions on the ABC's Q&A show he's just as ignorant and "family centric"
Well I got a reply from Nick, or his office, telling me the email address that was published and I used was wrong and try another one.

Email sent again.
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Old 25-08-2008, 12:19 PM
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All I want to know is where is the media?
Ha.

They're the ones behind this, it's just another move towards eradicating net neutrality so that they can take control of media delivery via the 'net.
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Grassroots Campaign? Anybody?

*sigh*

Everything seems so futile.
I'm all in for a "grass roots campaign" as i havn't had a grass root for years
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Old 28-08-2008, 11:53 AM
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How To Block Porn Pictures And Images With SafeSquid Proxy Server

SafeSquid are apparently developing/have developed an enterprise server based application that filters out porn based on images. if brought to the consumer market, and with a bit more tweaking, this i think would be a much better option for the government to back.

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Pornographic Image Filter can analyze an image in real-time, and identify the ones that are pornographic in nature. It analyzes the graphical content like skin tone, contour, etc. to identify a pornographic image. It is a commercially distributed add-on plug-in and can be used with SafeSquid to block pornographic images. Although it is about 85%-90% accurate, it acts as a good deterrent.
from what i gather, this would mean no building of white/black lists, etc. i assume it would still slow down the user's connection while the algorithm is being performed, but means it is back on individual PCs rather than the ISP level.
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Old 28-08-2008, 01:55 PM
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SafeSquid are apparently developing/have developed an enterprise server based application that filters out porn based on images. if brought to the consumer market, and with a bit more tweaking, this i think would be a much better option for the government to back.

from what i gather, this would mean no building of white/black lists, etc. i assume it would still slow down the user's connection while the algorithm is being performed, but means it is back on individual PCs rather than the ISP level.
I don't really buy this -the best this software can do is make the search for pornography more annoying and inefficient, but I disupute their assertion that it acts as a deterrent. Even if I believed their accuracy figures, it would certainly not provide good value for taxpayer money.

As for end user PCs, noone would have much of a problem with that. The "mandatory, nationwide, ISP-level" part of the filtering is the killer.
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Maybe some good news?

Hey all I got a reply back from Nick Xenophon, well sort of, a reply from his Correspondence Officer.

They are still taking submissions, and welcome further feedback. They welcome further information by return email on the matter.

Anyone want to help with putting a good submission together, one that is balanced, practical and without emotion?
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