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19-11-2007, 10:06 PM
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Clinically Insane
Group: Regulars
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Powermac G5 won't boot off OS X Disc
Okay - I've been holding this problem off for yonks because I figured I must be smart enough to work out the problem... yet it continues to have me utterly foxed.
My Powermac G5 (Dual 2.3GHz) SuperDrive will not boot off from any Mac OS X (10.4) Installer Disc, and this includes the installer it came with: 10.4.0 - nor will it boot off a universal 10.4.6, nor will it boot off a universal 10.4.10 - and now, it shows me it can't boot off Leopard 10.5.
Everytime restart + C key goes down, it loads up the grey apple logo, the spinning network appears and then we get the ol' faithful:
Panic kernal: We are hanging here...
Naturally, when I first bought it, I was able to boot it from the 10.4.0 it came with and partition it the way I wanted etc etc. I actually have several universal 10.4.0 Installer Discs - none of them work - and it hangs every time.
I have tried PRAM Zaps and all the regular procedures, yet to no avail.
Strangely, it only hangs on OS X Tiger (and higher) Installers, because it has no problem booting off TechTools Pro 4.5.2, Data Rescue II, Disk Warrior or anything loaded into a Coriolis Boot Disc.
I have now attempted 3 universal 10.4 disc - copies of its original installer - as well as others mentioned above, and now, as a test, Leopard.
Any thoughts, guys?
We are hanging here...
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19-11-2007, 10:13 PM
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Pimp My Title
Group: Forum Leaders
Location: Melbourne
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Hey CW,
tried another bootable optical drive (or burning a copy of your existing install media?).
JB
EDIT: just read you tried installing off good copies. NVRAM reset?
Last edited by Byrd; 19-11-2007 at 10:16 PM.
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19-11-2007, 10:35 PM
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Clinically Insane
Group: Regulars
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Tried all regular pursuits Byrd.
I'll tell you what it is (aside from a pain in the hole).
It's fucking weird.
So if I want to do a really thorough Disk Permissions test, Disk Utilities has to be loaded onto a Coriolis Disc, and though I keep everything backed up, my fear is that should I need to erase and install one day, I won't be able to boot off any OS X Tiger (or higher) Installer Disc.
Also, unable to install Tiger onto an Emergency Boot partition of an External Drive, as this too, requires Restart off a Boot Disk...
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20-11-2007, 12:34 AM
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Not so serious ;)
Group: Administrators
Location: Fukuoka, Japan (originally Canberra)
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Hold down command-v and startup and find out where it hangs. That might give a clue. Could be that the TTP and other boot CDs have a very stripped system and aren't loading drivers for whatever borked hardware is in the machine.
Will it boot off a firewire drive with a PPC version of an OS installed on it?
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20-11-2007, 07:46 AM
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Regular
Group: Regulars
Location: Melbourne
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I've seen a similar issue with a friends G5 same model infact a while back though after the message you described it gave him a whole heap jargon. He had to take it into apple where they replaced the logic board.
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20-11-2007, 08:51 AM
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Clinically Insane
Group: Regulars
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Currawong: how does one copy/paste the Hanging Kernal after booting off an OS X Installer Disc using Verbose Mode? Or... where be it in the Console Logs?
There's a screen load of information there, yet it all ends in:
We are hanging here...
And yes - oh my wordy yes, it has no problems booting off any External FireWire Drive with a Tiger System installed upon it.
An exception to just OS X Installer DVDs.
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20-11-2007, 09:05 AM
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Regular
Group: Regulars
Location: Adelaide
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hmm... did you try just holding 'option' down at startup to see what choice of drives is presented for you too boot from? (can take a while to come up with a CD in)
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20-11-2007, 09:15 AM
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Regular
Group: Regulars
Location: Northern Beaches , Sydney
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If you have Tiger on your external drive you should be able to boot from that ( as you already stated ) and fire up DU and do your tests from there and repair permissions etc.
Stewie
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20-11-2007, 09:21 AM
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Group: Regulars
Location: Melbourne
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It's gotta be either the logic board, the optical drive, or something connecting the two, right?
Have you tried another optical drive? Do you have a FW optical drive you can use to try booting off the OSX disc?
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20-11-2007, 09:30 AM
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Not so serious ;)
Group: Administrators
Location: Fukuoka, Japan (originally Canberra)
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What does it say BEFORE "We are hanging here..."?
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20-11-2007, 11:10 AM
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Clinically Insane
Group: Regulars
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Okay - I just tried what Stewiesno1 suggested, yet with a slight and nonsensical diversion: I booted the PowerMac G5 off an External FireWire Drive that has a Tiger Boot partition, then put in a universal 10.4 Installer DVD, and restarted the PowerMac G5 off that.
Bingo - it boots!
That doesn't make a scrap of sense, does it? (Since I it's still using the PMG5's SuperDrive).
Booted in straight orf the Mac OS X 10.4 Installer Disc, opened Disk Utility, found henious Volume Header errors on the PMG5's HD, repaired all, restarted off the PMG5's Hard Disk, ejected the External FireWire Drive, and retested the scenario using just the Mac OS X 10.4 Installer Disc and the PowerMac G5 - and yes - positive boot!
Cudos to Stewiesno1 - although I never ran Disk Utilities off the External Drive as you suggested - somehow, the fact that the External FireWire Drive was the promoted as the start-up disk... somehow made the PMG5's SuperDrive behave itself when booting off the Mac OS X 10.4 Installer Disc.
Go figure...
To Currawong: I couldn't tell you what appeared above We are hanging here... - as there was just way too much information, and I don't know how to get that Verbose Mode info from the Console. Tell me how, please, if there's a way ?
Stewie - while we're here, and I'm too lazy to PM you, plus I know your fixations with G4 Towers, I'd like to hack the casing of my PowerMac G4 QuickSilver - namely to widen / or add and extra ventilation opening... somewhere... in the casing, to compensate over-heating in summer - for those of us with no means of air conditioning.
I'll buzz you soon... just so you know what's coming.
Thanking all of you for your input, guys. 
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20-11-2007, 12:37 PM
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Inactive
Group: Inactive
Location: SA, 5174
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ClockWork
... Stewie - while we're here, and I'm too lazy to PM you, plus I know your fixations with G4 Towers, I'd like to hack the casing of my PowerMac G4 QuickSilver - namely to widen / or add and extra ventilation opening... somewhere... in the casing, to compensate over-heating in summer - for those of us with no means of air conditioning...
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If you are not prepared to hack a hole in the casing and add an extra fan like I did (the machine has no real value so I figured: whatever?), why not add a PCI slot cooling fan?
EDIT: Or you could just use google and save Stewie some time. 
Last edited by kim jong il; 20-11-2007 at 12:47 PM.
Reason: an edit.
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20-11-2007, 01:02 PM
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Clinically Insane
Group: Regulars
Location: Sydney, Australia
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ummmm....
it's dead... fred
Everything was working hunky-dory. I then decided to give it a bit of clean up, trashing rather large document folders I no longer needed.
When I hit Empty Trash, it began the count down of items to Trash procedure, but then instead of the item numbers going up, they suddenly snapped to: 0
That was followed by a barber's pole on the Empty Trash, where nothing happened for 10 minutes, so I Force Quit the Finder... which then went blank and dead. Shut it down, and started it up - to meet a black screen with a tonne of white text on it, the end of which said:
in6_ifattach_loopback:
failed to configure the loopback address on Lo0 (errno = 55)
Now, on this HD, I have an Emergency Partition, which, like the External Drive, has a bootable version of Tiger onboard, so I booted using option down, chose the Emergency Partition - and it does indeed boot into the Emergency Partition... but... (and I think it's the HD which is fucked here) - it displays in 256 shaded grey - that is, you can barely see eff-all.
Disk Utility detected no errors. Connected External FireWire Drive -> System Prefs -> Start up Disk > chose External FireWire Boot -> Restart.
Now I'm met with this error:
AppleSMU -- shutdown cause = 3
Load of /sbin/launchd, error2, trying /sbin/mach_init
Load of /sbin/launchd failed, errno2
Apple SMU: :PMU vers = 0x000d00a0, SPU vers = 0x69, SDB vers = 0x01,
To wit, it will not boot off any External FireWire Drive, and once again, it will not boot off the OS X 10.4 Installer Disk - back to : We are hanging here...
When entering Single-User Mode, I get the:
in6_ifattach_loopback:
failed to configure the loopback address on Lo0 (errno = 55) - again.
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Have successfully booted off TechTools Pro and am running tests over the HD - including Surface Scan which is going to take an eternity. I could also halt it and run Disk Warrior 3.
What do you think guys?
cw
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20-11-2007, 01:06 PM
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Clinically Insane
Group: Regulars
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kim jong il
If you are not prepared to hack a hole in the casing and add an extra fan like I did (the machine has no real value so I figured: whatever?), why not add a PCI slot cooling fan?
EDIT: Or you could just use google and save Stewie some time. |
yeah - but I'd have to buy a whole tool case, which I'd only use once, and Stew has a Tool Case!  |
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20-11-2007, 04:30 PM
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Clinically Insane
Group: Regulars
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Well - I can't be certain yet, but it looks like it's the PMG5's Master HD.
Everything's been thoroughly backed up, and then I erased it in Target Disk Mode, reinstalled Tiger 10.4 - gave it all updates, and though it appears to be functional, the screen comes up in a bit mapped grey and inverted GUI.
Successfully booted the PowerMac G5 off the Mac OS 10.4 Installer Disc, and installed 10.4 plus all updates to 10.4.11 to the Slave HD, and its GUI is fine... for now...
Switch it back over and I have a crap grey speckled display on the Master.
Thank heavens for an Icecube Generation II + SuperDuper.
More later on...
cw
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