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Old 24-03-2007, 09:16 PM
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Question Mail Server set up - Advice needed please.

I have just got a new ADSL2 service installed and with it came a static IP address so I figured what they hey I might as well register a domain name and set up my own mail/web/LAN server at home just like the one I have at work. I have installed OSX Server 10.4.9 on an old G4. I want to nework all my kids macs and give them their own mail and web access (Strictly controlled) on their own computers.

OK so I have had my domain (www.muddie.com.au) listed on a DNS and had my WWW and MX records pointed at my Static IP (165.228.151.250).

The WWW works, it's just the default server web page at the moment but the address certainly resolves to my server.

The mail however is giving me curry. I believe I have set it all up correctly. I used ARD to get into the server at work and coppied all the settings from it to my home server.
I have exactly the same router at home as well so I just backed up the settings at work and restored them to the router at home. So all the appropriate port forwarding etc should be correct.

I did not setup the server originally at work but I have been maintaining it single handedly for years so I figured I would be up to the task of setting one up but...


I can send mail from my iMac (muddie@muddie.com.au) through the server to my email at work (andrew@creativeconcepts.com.au) and it gets there OK. I cant send email from my iMac (muddie@muddie.com.au) to my .mac email (muddie@mac.com) I get the following error:

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From: MAILER-DAEMON@mail.muddie.com.au (Mail Delivery System)
Date: 24 March 2007 6:11:50 PM
To: muddie@muddie.com.au
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

This is the Postfix program at host mail.muddie.com.au.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

The Postfix program

<muddie@mac.com>: host smtp-mx5.mac.com[17.250.244.61] said: 553 5.1.8
<muddie@muddie.com.au>... Domain of sender address muddie@muddie.com.au
does not exist (in reply to MAIL FROM command)
Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.muddie.com.au
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: A191C288DF
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; muddie@muddie.com.au
Arrival-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:11:41 +1000 (EST)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; muddie@mac.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host smtp-mx5.mac.com[17.250.244.61] said: 553
5.1.8 <muddie@muddie.com.au>... Domain of sender address
muddie@muddie.com.au does not exist (in reply to MAIL FROM command)

From: Andrew Waters <muddie@muddie.com.au>
Date: 24 March 2007 6:11:03 PM
To: Andrew Waters <muddie@mac.com>
Subject: test


ddddd

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It seems to state that my domain does not exist.


Also when I hit reply to the emails that get through to my work email, I get the following error:

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From: MAILER-DAEMON@mail.creativeconcepts.com.au (Mail Delivery System)
Date: 24 March 2007 6:13:37 PM
To: andrew@creativeconcepts.com.au
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

This is the Postfix program at host mail.creativeconcepts.com.au.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

The Postfix program

<muddie@muddie.com.au>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for
name=muddie.com.au type=A: Host found but no data record of requested type
Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.creativeconcepts.com.au
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 5920C362C54
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; andrew@creativeconcepts.com.au
Arrival-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:13:37 +1000 (EST)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; muddie@muddie.com.au
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Host or domain name not found. Name service error
for name=muddie.com.au type=A: Host found but no data record of requested
type

From: Andrew Waters <andrew@creativeconcepts.com.au>
Date: 24 March 2007 6:13:30 PM
To: Andrew Waters <muddie@muddie.com.au>
Subject: Re: ttttttt



Andrew Waters
Managing/Creative Director
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37 Dalton Drive Maroochydore
PO Box 5246 Maroochydore BC
Queensland Australia 4558
Ph: 07 5443 4111 Fax: 07 5443 4974
andrew@creativeconcepts.com.au
www.creativeconcepts.com.au


On 24/03/2007, at 6:11 PM, Andrew Waters wrote:

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Can someone please read throught these error messages and see if they can give me any advice as to what the problem might be?

Thanks in advance for any help.
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Old 24-03-2007, 09:24 PM
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advice:

put ***'s through the last 3 digits of your IP address when mentioned on this site, expecially if it's static, just to avoid any nasties.

change them all to: 165.228.151.***




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Old 24-03-2007, 09:27 PM
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You certain your MX and A records are setup correctly, as I am not seeing anything from here. Or they look wrong.

Who is hosting your dns records for you? looks to be g2.com.au
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Old 24-03-2007, 09:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blair Hudson View Post
advice:

put ***'s through the last 3 digits of your IP address when mentioned on this site, expecially if it's static, just to avoid any nasties.

change them all to: 165.228.151.***
It probably won't matter, as he told us his domain name (which resolves to the same ip), so they'd need to mask it too.

But then if that happened how could we help
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blair Hudson View Post
advice:

put ***'s through the last 3 digits of your IP address when mentioned on this site, expecially if it's static, just to avoid any nasties.

change them all to: 165.228.151.***




Another computer safety announcement not provided by Microsoft. Have a nice day!
I will change them shortly I just thought I would give them out here foro a bit incase someone need them to figure out what was going on.
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Old 24-03-2007, 09:31 PM
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Just a suggestion on a slightly related area:

As you own the domain name, set your email server to accept all mail to any username in that domain. When you sign up for things using your email address, give it in the form <their company name>@<your domain name>.

That way you know who's been giving out your email addresses to spammers.
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Old 24-03-2007, 09:32 PM
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Quote:
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You certain your MX and A records are setup correctly, as I am not seeing anything from here. Or they look wrong.

Who is hosting your dns records for you? looks to be g2.com.au
I can only assume they are correct. G2 look after all our clients web site for us and they point our work MX records at the work mail server and it works fine so i assumed they would do this correctly? Is there any way of checking?

EDIT: I also need to learn to look up when I type.
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Old 24-03-2007, 09:34 PM
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Yes, it appears your dns zone is setup incorrectly, this is what I am seeing when I query it;

maggie:~ michaelf$ host -d muddie.com.au
Trying "muddie.com.au"
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 29421
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;muddie.com.au. IN A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
muddie.com.au. 3600 IN SOA dns1.g2.com.au. admin.g2.com.au. 6 7200 600 2592000 3600

Received 81 bytes from 192.168.3.254#53 in 2172 ms
Trying "muddie.com.au"
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 57369
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;muddie.com.au. IN AAAA

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
muddie.com.au. 3492 IN SOA dns1.g2.com.au. admin.g2.com.au. 6 7200 600 2592000 3600

Received 81 bytes from 192.168.3.254#53 in 41 ms
Trying "muddie.com.au"
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 64526
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;muddie.com.au. IN MX

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
muddie.com.au. 3261 IN SOA dns1.g2.com.au. admin.g2.com.au. 6 7200 600 2592000 3600

Received 81 bytes from 192.168.3.254#53 in 41 ms

Your dns has issues, as the mx query is getting nothing as an answer..

Below is the output from mine showing what the output should look like if everything works..

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;heimic.net. IN MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
heimic.net. 86034 IN MX 0 mail.heimic.net.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
heimic.net. 86034 IN NS ns58-psoho.aussiehq.net.au.
heimic.net. 86034 IN NS ns57-psoho.aussiehq.net.au.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
mail.heimic.net. 86034 IN A 67.15.42.40
ns58-psoho.aussiehq.net.au. 217 IN A 67.15.42.227
ns57-psoho.aussiehq.net.au. 217 IN A 67.15.42.226

-- snip --

maggie:~ michaelf$ nslookup
> set querytype=mx
> muddie.com.au
Server: 192.168.3.254
Address: 192.168.3.254#53

Non-authoritative answer:
*** Can't find muddie.com.au: No answer

Authoritative answers can be found from:
muddie.com.au
origin = dns1.g2.com.au
mail addr = admin.g2.com.au
serial = 6
refresh = 7200
retry = 600
expire = 2592000
minimum = 3600
>

As per above, g2 haven't setup your mx record for muddie.com.au (better query them)
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Old 24-03-2007, 09:36 PM
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[quote=iPirate;273913]Just a suggestion on a slightly related area:

As you own the domain name, set your email server to accept all mail to any username in that domain. When you sign up for things using your email address, give it in the form <their company name>@<your domain name>./QUOTE]

That's a great idea. And when I start getting a lot of spam to that address I just set up a server rule to delete it.

I've got to get it working first but, good advice.
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[quote=muddie@mac.com;273917]
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Just a suggestion on a slightly related area:

As you own the domain name, set your email server to accept all mail to any username in that domain. When you sign up for things using your email address, give it in the form <their company name>@<your domain name>./QUOTE]

That's a great idea. And when I start getting a lot of spam to that address I just set up a server rule to delete it.

I've got to get it working first but, good advice.
I setup aliases in a similar way..

ie... username-aliasname@domain.com

So if I get spam from a forum to the aliasname I know where it came from(or who gave it out).
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Old 24-03-2007, 09:42 PM
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Thanks Purana. I will talk to the on Monday. At least I'm not insane (well probably).
I am with Telstra Business Direct and I believe from what I read in the CustData tutorial I should be able to look after my own WWW & MX records adn DNS listing from their console but it looked a bit to confusing.

Thanks again!
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Old 24-03-2007, 09:44 PM
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I had telstra direct a few years ago, for a long time. And back then they didn't provide any sort of dns hosting, however they did provide access to the reverse dns on your ip subnet you get allocated.

You had to host your own dns or get it hosted by a 3rd party.

As indicated above, MX record is certainly not setup. Nor is the A record so that people can get to your webserver.

It looks as though they haven't really created any of it, short of what they might say about it being done already. It's NOT
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Old 24-03-2007, 10:05 PM
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Hey Purana, I just read this in the CustData area. Would this have anything to do with it?

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Secondary Mail Exchangers

Internet Direct has servers which you may use as secondary mail exchangers (MX).

These servers can not be used as mail relay servers (i.e. you cannot send outgoing mail); rather they are intended to be used as a backup server for your domain.

If Internet Direct hosts your zone for you (see Service Management/Primary DNS on menu), an entry will automatically be added to your zone file. If you or another organisation hosts your zone, you will need to add an MX entry pointing to postoffice.telstra.net.
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Old 24-03-2007, 10:07 PM
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muddie,

You don't have any MX records setup (not even a primary, so at secondary MX is not going to help you at this stage).

The problem you have at the moment is as indicated, g2 needs to setup a primary mx record that points to an A record that exists. ie like mine.

If you want bigpond direct to be a secondary MX then set it up via custdata page, and then have g2 enter the secondary MX dns record in your zone file.

EDIT: and I see what you mean by them offering dns hosting now, that's cool. But your domain is hosted by g2, so they need to set this stuff up if you don't have dns admin access to your own domain. Wait to Monday and query them.
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Old 24-03-2007, 10:18 PM
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Thanks I will. I was clutching at straws to try to get something happening now. Just a little excited I guess.
Thanks Mate.
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