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14-04-2008, 01:54 PM
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cheap headless mac - not from Apple
interesting indeed
'OpenMac' Promises $399 Headless Mac... But Not From Apple - Mac Rumors
If this went to market one of two things would happen
1) Apple laywers set phasers to kill - nothing to see here move along
2) A precedent is set where it is legal to sell a computer compatable with Leopard and it would be the end user breaking the EULA.
It has already been shown that a company can sell a compatable product as long as they don't infringe on copyright ( compaq vs IBM anyone? and we all know what happened after IBM lost that fight)
Anyone wanting to buy an "OS X compatable" PC?
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14-04-2008, 02:01 PM
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Filthy hobbitses!
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I think by selling the computer with the OS preinstalled, the company is the one breaking the EULA.
Also, it's not an "if" they went to market - they're offering these for sale already.
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14-04-2008, 02:06 PM
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I think by selling the computer with the OS preinstalled, the company is the one breaking the EULA.
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Actually I saw that after posting...
If they wern't doing that then it would be a very grey area indeed. In any case it may prove to be their undoing but how long until the next company learns from the mistakes made here?
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14-04-2008, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bartron
how long until the next company learns from the mistakes made here?
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Probably not all that long. Nothing about the guts of a Mac is proprietary, after all - I'm surprised it's taken this long for a company to make a Mac-compatible tower available. But without the ability to sell the OS preinstalled, this is basically a more expensive Hackintosh - pretty much the opposite of the "it just works" philosophy, which won't appeal to "mom and pop" consumers. |
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14-04-2008, 02:15 PM
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Interesting.  Doubt that it would happen due to legal issues
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14-04-2008, 02:16 PM
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but they wont ship to Ozz
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14-04-2008, 02:39 PM
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but they wont ship to Ozz
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Maybe not, but PriceUSA would
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14-04-2008, 02:57 PM
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Nothing about the guts of a Mac is proprietary, after all - I'm surprised it's taken this long for a company to make a Mac-compatible tower available.
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True, but all Intel Macs use EFI which (even now) is not very common for PC hardware which still uses BIOS. This means any company wanting to do this needs to put in a bit of extra development and testing. Like MacRumors I think these guys have used some of the work from the OSx86 project...
Also I would have thought considering the small market for machines like this and the small returns not many companies would be willing to do this for the risk of litigation from Apple.
However, that being said. There was a market for "compatible" Apple II clones back in the 80s. Not sure how big it was, but I can remember seeing several different types. Perhaps the same could happen again.
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14-04-2008, 03:04 PM
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However, that being said. There was a market for "compatible" Apple II clones back in the 80s. Not sure how big it was, but I can remember seeing several different types. Perhaps the same could happen again.
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At that point the clones were licensed - and even then Apple regretted it.
This is against the T&C of the OS X client software.... however it's a possibility that OS X server might be allowed, due to the virtualisation clauses.
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14-04-2008, 03:10 PM
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it just doesn't have the elegance of a mac either...
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14-04-2008, 03:11 PM
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At that point the clones were licensed - and even then Apple regretted it almost instantly
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Ah no I was talking about the Apple II and not the Mac cloning from the mid 90s. Apple did not condone the Apple II clones and even sued one (see the Wikipedia entry).
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14-04-2008, 03:37 PM
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Although I'm sure OS X is stable and resilient enough to work with a multitude of hardware set ups I believe deviating from Apple's chosen core system configuration could disturb that harmony.
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14-04-2008, 03:39 PM
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I think the interesting thing here is the question 'what makes a Mac a Mac?'
If you jump on the osx86 forums most people are running EFI emulation that makes OS X think any desktop is a Mac Pro. In most cases, and with the right hardware, OS X is installed and runs perfectly fine with no modification to the kernel. This also means that OS X can be patched without issue (so far) since OS X is running unmodified.
If there is nothing in the hardware that signifies what a Mac is then it is possible that it is perfectly legal for someone to design a maching that is 100% compatable with OS X and sell it.
The only difference in this case to the IBM clones is that the OS is owned by the hardware company. In the case of IBM it only owned the hardware side of things and there was nothing about the OS that said it could only run on IBM branded machines.
Will be interesting to see what the outcome is.
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14-04-2008, 03:45 PM
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I don't see how it can be illegal. All they are selling is a machine specced to work with a hacked OSX install. A long as they do not promote the installation- it should be fine.
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14-04-2008, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by avolve
it just doesn't have the elegance of a mac either...
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That's true, but it's the best looking PC case I've seen for some time. And what's more, at least you can expand it internally without many issues (noting it took Apple a long time to make the "G5 style" casing actually functional until the Mac Pro was released years later).
This is very interesting ... and tempting ... but there is no way Apple would let this company break their EULA by shipping OS X preinstalled on their hardware.
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