[Lutze]

Originally Posted by Dux

But I've heard SL will run on non-64 hardware, such as Intel Atom and older Core Duos?

It will, it does. It just does not use the 64 bit kernel. You get dropped the 32 bit version by default.

The list shows that almost every bit of hardware does not, by default, run in 64 bit mode. I'd say that's because a lot of Apps still don't run in 64 bit fully yet either.

[Dux]

Originally Posted by Lutze

I'd say that's because a lot of Apps still don't run in 64 bit fully yet either.

lol, same with Microsoft - their Office apps and IE are still 32-bit.

[dotnet]

Originally Posted by bennyling

Even my lowly Macbook2,1 with it's T7400 processor can do full 64-bit when running Windows, so if Apple have artificially limited what machines can and can't run 64-bit with Snow Leopard, then that's pretty crap.

With SL, even those 64bit machines that cannot boot a 64bit kernel will run 64bit apps just fine. The fact that the kernel is 32bit doesn't matter much in my experience.

Cheers
Steffen.

[Huy]

Pretty cool.

[Dux]

I like that they've moved away from big, giant glossy 'X's towards nice nature photography.

[Huy]

Originally Posted by bartron

so is that a box or a cardboard sleeve?

Box it is! I see the word Retail on the box.

[Shintaro]

The person who took those photo's lives near Dublin.
Wonder if the Apple Ninja's have been dispatched?

[samuelowens]

But, but, but - s/he's running Photoshop on his/her computer! Obviously a fake!



As for the whole 32/64-bit kernel thing: no-one except a few geeks on Mac forums cares (at this stage)! After all, all applications work without having to faff around switching system preferences between 32-bit and 64-bit as you do in the 64-bit kernel. As such, there really isn't any benefit of a wide deployment by Apple just yet. Indeed, the whole philosophy of 10.6 may be to smooth the way for a 64-bit kernel in 10.7, the same way 10.5 smoothed the way for the full transition to Intel in 10.6. Time will tell I guess.

[Huy]

This helped me:
netkas.org SnowLeopard and 64-bit.

[EchoAusio]

There are some reports that some people in Spain have their hands on the actual dvd and are saying that 10A432 is the GM

[bennyling]

Originally Posted by Huy

This helped me:
netkas.org SnowLeopard and 64-bit.

Really? You actually understood any of that?

All I got out of that was some babble about 64/32bit, kernel extensions, and some command

ioreg -l -p IODeviceTree | grep firmware-abi

which would tell me if my EFI was 32 or 64 bit. That, combined with

uname -a

will tell me if I'm running a 64 or 32-bit kernel, but only if I'm running Snow Leopard.

So yeah,

[DeanCorp]

Originally Posted by Huy

This helped me:
netkas.org SnowLeopard and 64-bit.

Thanks!! I was wondering why my Mac Pro was showing up as 32 This fixed it!

[Lutze]

Originally Posted by Huy

This helped me:
netkas.org SnowLeopard and 64-bit.

See this is where I start to scratch my head... If I follow his advice on finding out what EFI I have I find that it reports a 64 bit model.

Yet I still can't boot into 64 bit Kernel. Odd. I've also tried to edit and save the file he suggests to alter to force 64bit support.. Of course it won't work when you are booted into it will it?

Hmmm

[Aaron]

For those running the GM - is a speed difference noticeable in basic use of the OS?

[DeanCorp]

Originally Posted by Lutze

See this is where I start to scratch my head... If I follow his advice on finding out what EFI I have I find that it reports a 64 bit model.

Yet I still can't boot into 64 bit Kernel. Odd. I've also tried to edit and save the file he suggests to alter to force 64bit support.. Of course it won't work when you are booted into it will it?

Hmmm

I used a program called BBedit. I use that to edit .plist extensions. It will allow you to edit it while it is in use, however it will require your password as it needs root authentication.

let me know if you get stuck, and I can help you

[Lutze]

Originally Posted by DeanCorp

I used a program called BBedit. I use that to edit .plist extensions. It will allow you to edit it while it is in use, however it will require your password as it needs root authentication.

let me know if you get stuck, and I can help you

It's all good - rebooted using Leopard and edited the file there.

Still - as I suspected - not allowing me to load the 64 bit kernel.

[Huy]

What kind of Mac and EFI (see bennyling's post above)?

arn from MacRumors has confirmation that the retail box/packaging/discs are real. Of course they are.

[Lutze]

Originally Posted by Huy

What kind of Mac and EFI (see bennyling's post above)?

arn from MacRumors has confirmation that the retail box/packaging/discs are real. Of course they are.

As I posted - I know that my machine is not in the list (iMac 8.1 does 64bit) my iMac is 7.1. However it does have a 64 bit EFI.

[~Coxy]

Originally Posted by samuelowens

As for the whole 32/64-bit kernel thing: no-one except a few geeks on Mac forums cares (at this stage)!

People who paid a LOT of money for a computer that proudly said "64 bit workstation" on the side of the box are a little miffed.

[Lutze]

Originally Posted by ~Coxy

People who paid a LOT of money for a computer that proudly said "64 bit workstation" on the side of the box are a little miffed.

The same could be said for folks that bought a G5 Power Mac. Technology moves on - as long as Apple are not restricting it for a false reason then I have no problem with this.

Apple have always used OS X to sell Computers. I have no problem with them continuing to do so.